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TobiSGD 12-12-2010 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenny_Strawn (Post 4188860)
That's a good point as well. Of course, considering Canonical's OEM muscle, there are some more vendors besides Dell (HP I believe being one of them) that plan on offering Ubuntu boxes.
But isn't Canonical starting their own vendor lock-in with Ubuntu One and their Ubuntu One Music Store? Or is it possible to use that with a different distro?

tiredofbilkyyaforallican 12-12-2010 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeebizz (Post 4188899)
If I wanted to, and I actually thought about it but just been too lazy; I can just get some spray paint and colour my beige tower to something else. I have considered giving it a total silver make over. :p
Yup that works just as well LOL But make sure you prep it properly first !!!

tiredofbilkyyaforallican 12-12-2010 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TobiSGD (Post 4188965)
But isn't Canonical starting their own vendor lock-in with Ubuntu One and their Ubuntu One Music Store? Or is it possible to use that with a different distro?
I do believe if you wish to use the Ubuntu one store,any distro should work. At least that was the way I understood it when I read about it.

TobiSGD 12-12-2010 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by tiredofbilkyyaforallican (Post 4189043)
I do believe if you wish to use the Ubuntu one store,any distro should work. At least that was the way I understood it when I read about it.
I understood it so, that your music is automatically transfered to your Ubuntu One space, after you have bought it, and I don't know if any other Linux distro has access to it.

soppy 12-12-2010 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TobiSGD (Post 4189044)
I understood it so, that your music is automatically transfered to your Ubuntu One space, after you have bought it, and I don't know if any other Linux distro has access to it.
I'm not sure if ALL other distros do, but the spin-offs like Mint I believe do. I think I read somewhere that it was able to use it. And really I understand their thing though; if you're not going to use their product, why should they support you? There's other alternatives. Like a thumb drive. :D

TobiSGD 12-12-2010 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by soppy (Post 4189080)
I'm not sure if ALL other distros do, but the spin-offs like Mint I believe do. I think I read somewhere that it was able to use it. And really I understand their thing though; if you're not going to use their product, why should they support you? There's other alternatives. Like a thumb drive. :D
You are right with the support thing, but the Ubuntu One Music Store allows the music to be downloaded only 3 times, therefore they transfer your music to your online space. I would consider that vendor lock in, or at least bad service.

EDIT: To make my point clear, we all know that Google is not necessary a good company, only because they drive FOSS-projects. They want to earn money and have to please their shareholders. But the same applies to Canonical, and one should be cautious and not blind about their activities, just because they release a Linux distro.

lupusarcanus 12-12-2010 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeebizz (Post 4188763)
Of the many times I have used my notebook when it was alive, not once have I had any issues you described, and aesthetics? Things looked just fine, no bad colors, no blurring or any kind of graphical glitch; the design was rather sensible to me.



So because I have a beige tower, I can't tame the chords? I can just wrap them together neatly, no tangling and are just as neatly as the iMac, big deal. I don't care how Apple designs their cases (practically thats probably the only thing they design, and probably even that is assembled in China ;)), to me the philosophy of Apple and their 'stylishness' pretty much crosses the line into snobbery if you ask me, and usually the people who I ever spoken to who buy Apple products are the type that would never be technically inclined to fix or troubleshoot any problem should they come up themselves. Thats not to say that there isn't at least SOME Apple/Mac users that have technical expertise.

I didn't buy a computer for it's looks, I bought it for it's performance.
Sigh...

That is you though. I'll pay extra money for those things, and so do other people. A Mac isn't right for everybody, and you're not one of them. But just because you don't have those exact problems or don't like them doesn't mean you have to condemn the company and all their products as a whole.

lupusarcanus 12-12-2010 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenny_Strawn (Post 4188846)
I think *ALL* of Apple's ideas regarding computing (especially their opinion that a computer is to have an OS that is vendor-locked to itself) are downright insane.

What it boils down to is that:
  • Microsoft has prporietary software
  • Apple has proprietary software locked to proprietary hardware

See the pattern?
I can install Windows or Linux as my sole OS on my Mac anytime I want. A Mac is more similar to a regular PC than people give it credit for.

Anyway. there is nothing wrong with proprietary software or hardware, so I don't even see how it could be considered insane.

I like supporting FOSS for a different reason, because I like it. Plain and simple. I like the way it looks, I like the way it works, I like the way its super customizable, I like not having to pay out my nose for something and I like that I can try all sorts of distros and give them to my friends (If I had friends to give it too, lol).

But ideologically, I see no problem with Microsoft or Apple. I even like Steve Ballmer, having watched more videos of him on YouTube (the first one I saw of him was the crazy dancing one). (Does this make me a **M$ TROLL!** ?)

Jeebizz 12-12-2010 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by leopard (Post 4189130)
Sigh...

That is you though. I'll pay extra money for those things, and so do other people. A Mac isn't right for everybody, and you're not one of them. But just because you don't have those exact problems or don't like them doesn't mean you have to condemn the company and all their products as a whole.
*sigh*

Well I feel like as a company like Apple and their fans, they are condemning people like me for liking products that are essentially in their view 'ugly', 'unsophisticated', and even go so far as to claim that they are 'substandard' compared to their products.

I can also bet you that if I ever do decide to buy a notebook ever again, it still won't be anything from Apple ;).

lupusarcanus 12-12-2010 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeebizz (Post 4189138)
*sigh*

Well I feel like as a company like Apple and their fans, they are condemning people like me for liking products that are essentially in their view 'ugly', 'unsophisticated', and even go so far as to claim that they are 'substandard' compared to their products.

I can also bet you that if I ever do decide to buy a notebook ever again, it still won't be anything from Apple ;).
I don't, my mom doesn't. Not all Apple users view them that way. I like ThinkPads (I think they are sexy, seriously), and Dell beige boxes are classy and simple in my eyes.

Please don't stereotype all of us just because of... a few bad apples. :)

Jeebizz 12-12-2010 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by leopard (Post 4189142)
I don't, my mom doesn't. Not all Apple users view them that way. I like ThinkPads (I think they are sexy, seriously), and Dell beige boxes are classy and simple in my eyes.

Please don't stereotype all of us just because of... a few bad apples. :)
Well said sir :)

lupusarcanus 12-12-2010 06:47 PM
I found the ideal laptop for Jeebizz.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-Satellit...item255f938805

Just kidding, :p.

Kenny_Strawn 12-12-2010 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TobiSGD (Post 4188965)
But isn't Canonical starting their own vendor lock-in with Ubuntu One and their Ubuntu One Music Store? Or is it possible to use that with a different distro?
If it is a vendor lock-in, how come Canonical has versions of Ubuntu One for Windows and Mac as well as for Android and iOS? That right there is enough to say something.

Oh, by the way, I'll bet you the code to the U1 music store plugin for Rhythmbox has been offered upstream many times and got turned down.

TobiSGD 12-12-2010 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenny_Strawn (Post 4189170)
If it is a vendor lock-in, how come Canonical has versions of Ubuntu One for Windows and Mac as well as for Android and iOS? That right there is enough to say something.
Didn't know about that, thanks for the info. Looked around some info about the clients (Canonical refers to the Windows-client as a client for people who have to use a legacy OS, LOL). There are, as you said, clients for iOS and Android, but you have to pay to use them.

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Oh, by the way, I'll bet you the code to the U1 music store plugin for Rhythmbox has been offered upstream many times and got turned down.
I don't think so. As I stated above, Canonical has to get their shareholders pleased. It wouldn't make sense to invent something that is actually an unique feature amongst all Linux distros and give it away to the community. Ubuntu has to bring money in, and if you can't do it with charging for the OS you have to do it otherwise. Ubuntu One increases the the attractiveness of Ubuntu, and a higher market share will pull in more companies for advertising, or to use Ubuntu (and with that I mean Ubuntu and not Linux) as certified platform for their software (I think the Software-Center was invented for this).

But may be I am to pessimistic, when it comes to the intention of commercial companies.

soppy 12-12-2010 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenny_Strawn (Post 4189170)
If it is a vendor lock-in, how come Canonical has versions of Ubuntu One for Windows and Mac as well as for Android and iOS? That right there is enough to say something.

Oh, by the way, I'll bet you the code to the U1 music store plugin for Rhythmbox has been offered upstream many times and got turned down.
That's because Rhythmbox isn't an Ubuntu product. It's separate. So why would they put Ubuntu One service into their program if people like me on Arch Linux will never use Ubuntu One? That's what plugins are for. If Ubuntu wants something special in it, they can include the plugin by default in their repository OR modify the code themselves.


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