Because Shiny Things Are Fun - The New New Windows v Linux Thread
GeneralThis forum is for non-technical general discussion which can include both Linux and non-Linux topics. Have fun!
Notices
Welcome to LinuxQuestions.org, a friendly and active Linux Community.
You are currently viewing LQ as a guest. By joining our community you will have the ability to post topics, receive our newsletter, use the advanced search, subscribe to threads and access many other special features. Registration is quick, simple and absolutely free. Join our community today!
Note that registered members see fewer ads, and ContentLink is completely disabled once you log in.
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. If you need to reset your password, click here.
Having a problem logging in? Please visit this page to clear all LQ-related cookies.
Get a virtual cloud desktop with the Linux distro that you want in less than five minutes with Shells! With over 10 pre-installed distros to choose from, the worry-free installation life is here! Whether you are a digital nomad or just looking for flexibility, Shells can put your Linux machine on the device that you want to use.
Exclusive for LQ members, get up to 45% off per month. Click here for more info.
That's a good point as well. Of course, considering Canonical's OEM muscle, there are some more vendors besides Dell (HP I believe being one of them) that plan on offering Ubuntu boxes.
But isn't Canonical starting their own vendor lock-in with Ubuntu One and their Ubuntu One Music Store? Or is it possible to use that with a different distro?
Distribution: LMDE/Peppermint/Mint 9,&10/along with a few others
Posts: 152
Rep:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeebizz
If I wanted to, and I actually thought about it but just been too lazy; I can just get some spray paint and colour my beige tower to something else. I have considered giving it a total silver make over.
Yup that works just as well LOL But make sure you prep it properly first !!!
Distribution: LMDE/Peppermint/Mint 9,&10/along with a few others
Posts: 152
Rep:
Quote:
Originally Posted by TobiSGD
But isn't Canonical starting their own vendor lock-in with Ubuntu One and their Ubuntu One Music Store? Or is it possible to use that with a different distro?
I do believe if you wish to use the Ubuntu one store,any distro should work. At least that was the way I understood it when I read about it.
I do believe if you wish to use the Ubuntu one store,any distro should work. At least that was the way I understood it when I read about it.
I understood it so, that your music is automatically transfered to your Ubuntu One space, after you have bought it, and I don't know if any other Linux distro has access to it.
I understood it so, that your music is automatically transfered to your Ubuntu One space, after you have bought it, and I don't know if any other Linux distro has access to it.
I'm not sure if ALL other distros do, but the spin-offs like Mint I believe do. I think I read somewhere that it was able to use it. And really I understand their thing though; if you're not going to use their product, why should they support you? There's other alternatives. Like a thumb drive.
I'm not sure if ALL other distros do, but the spin-offs like Mint I believe do. I think I read somewhere that it was able to use it. And really I understand their thing though; if you're not going to use their product, why should they support you? There's other alternatives. Like a thumb drive.
You are right with the support thing, but the Ubuntu One Music Store allows the music to be downloaded only 3 times, therefore they transfer your music to your online space. I would consider that vendor lock in, or at least bad service.
EDIT: To make my point clear, we all know that Google is not necessary a good company, only because they drive FOSS-projects. They want to earn money and have to please their shareholders. But the same applies to Canonical, and one should be cautious and not blind about their activities, just because they release a Linux distro.
Of the many times I have used my notebook when it was alive, not once have I had any issues you described, and aesthetics? Things looked just fine, no bad colors, no blurring or any kind of graphical glitch; the design was rather sensible to me.
So because I have a beige tower, I can't tame the chords? I can just wrap them together neatly, no tangling and are just as neatly as the iMac, big deal. I don't care how Apple designs their cases (practically thats probably the only thing they design, and probably even that is assembled in China ), to me the philosophy of Apple and their 'stylishness' pretty much crosses the line into snobbery if you ask me, and usually the people who I ever spoken to who buy Apple products are the type that would never be technically inclined to fix or troubleshoot any problem should they come up themselves. Thats not to say that there isn't at least SOME Apple/Mac users that have technical expertise.
I didn't buy a computer for it's looks, I bought it for it's performance.
Sigh...
That is you though. I'll pay extra money for those things, and so do other people. A Mac isn't right for everybody, and you're not one of them. But just because you don't have those exact problems or don't like them doesn't mean you have to condemn the company and all their products as a whole.
I think *ALL* of Apple's ideas regarding computing (especially their opinion that a computer is to have an OS that is vendor-locked to itself) are downright insane.
What it boils down to is that:
Microsoft has prporietary software
Apple has proprietary software locked to proprietary hardware
See the pattern?
I can install Windows or Linux as my sole OS on my Mac anytime I want. A Mac is more similar to a regular PC than people give it credit for.
Anyway. there is nothing wrong with proprietary software or hardware, so I don't even see how it could be considered insane.
I like supporting FOSS for a different reason, because I like it. Plain and simple. I like the way it looks, I like the way it works, I like the way its super customizable, I like not having to pay out my nose for something and I like that I can try all sorts of distros and give them to my friends (If I had friends to give it too, lol).
But ideologically, I see no problem with Microsoft or Apple. I even like Steve Ballmer, having watched more videos of him on YouTube (the first one I saw of him was the crazy dancing one). (Does this make me a **M$ TROLL!** ?)
That is you though. I'll pay extra money for those things, and so do other people. A Mac isn't right for everybody, and you're not one of them. But just because you don't have those exact problems or don't like them doesn't mean you have to condemn the company and all their products as a whole.
*sigh*
Well I feel like as a company like Apple and their fans, they are condemning people like me for liking products that are essentially in their view 'ugly', 'unsophisticated', and even go so far as to claim that they are 'substandard' compared to their products.
I can also bet you that if I ever do decide to buy a notebook ever again, it still won't be anything from Apple .
Well I feel like as a company like Apple and their fans, they are condemning people like me for liking products that are essentially in their view 'ugly', 'unsophisticated', and even go so far as to claim that they are 'substandard' compared to their products.
I can also bet you that if I ever do decide to buy a notebook ever again, it still won't be anything from Apple .
I don't, my mom doesn't. Not all Apple users view them that way. I like ThinkPads (I think they are sexy, seriously), and Dell beige boxes are classy and simple in my eyes.
Please don't stereotype all of us just because of... a few bad apples.
I don't, my mom doesn't. Not all Apple users view them that way. I like ThinkPads (I think they are sexy, seriously), and Dell beige boxes are classy and simple in my eyes.
Please don't stereotype all of us just because of... a few bad apples.
But isn't Canonical starting their own vendor lock-in with Ubuntu One and their Ubuntu One Music Store? Or is it possible to use that with a different distro?
If it is a vendor lock-in, how come Canonical has versions of Ubuntu One for Windows and Mac as well as for Android and iOS? That right there is enough to say something.
Oh, by the way, I'll bet you the code to the U1 music store plugin for Rhythmbox has been offered upstream many times and got turned down.
If it is a vendor lock-in, how come Canonical has versions of Ubuntu One for Windows and Mac as well as for Android and iOS? That right there is enough to say something.
Didn't know about that, thanks for the info. Looked around some info about the clients (Canonical refers to the Windows-client as a client for people who have to use a legacy OS, LOL). There are, as you said, clients for iOS and Android, but you have to pay to use them.
Quote:
Oh, by the way, I'll bet you the code to the U1 music store plugin for Rhythmbox has been offered upstream many times and got turned down.
I don't think so. As I stated above, Canonical has to get their shareholders pleased. It wouldn't make sense to invent something that is actually an unique feature amongst all Linux distros and give it away to the community. Ubuntu has to bring money in, and if you can't do it with charging for the OS you have to do it otherwise. Ubuntu One increases the the attractiveness of Ubuntu, and a higher market share will pull in more companies for advertising, or to use Ubuntu (and with that I mean Ubuntu and not Linux) as certified platform for their software (I think the Software-Center was invented for this).
But may be I am to pessimistic, when it comes to the intention of commercial companies.
If it is a vendor lock-in, how come Canonical has versions of Ubuntu One for Windows and Mac as well as for Android and iOS? That right there is enough to say something.
Oh, by the way, I'll bet you the code to the U1 music store plugin for Rhythmbox has been offered upstream many times and got turned down.
That's because Rhythmbox isn't an Ubuntu product. It's separate. So why would they put Ubuntu One service into their program if people like me on Arch Linux will never use Ubuntu One? That's what plugins are for. If Ubuntu wants something special in it, they can include the plugin by default in their repository OR modify the code themselves.
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing
Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute
content, let us know.