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Old 04-17-2019, 08:41 AM   #1
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Bang goes my email and website!


I just got an email from my ISP (enta.net) saying that their hosting and email servers are closing at the end of June. Pity! I do have a gmail account but I use it only for mailing lists and suchlike, not for anything personal. My entanet mailbox is the one I always give my friends. Now I shall have to find another address.

Does anyone know a good free email service? One that doesn't spy on you as gmail does? The email mentioned www.memset.com, www.invicta.net, www.aquiss.net, and www.ionos.co.uk as possible alternatives. Anyone know anything about those? Because I've never heard of any of them.

I dread having to tell people a new address. I'm sure to miss somebody out and then I'll lose contact with them.

PS: I looked up those links. Two of them don't mention email and the other two charge a couple of pounds a month for an address. This doesn't look good.

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Old 04-17-2019, 10:19 AM   #2
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I'll mention 2
  1. http://www.protonmail.com This is one of those ultra-secure services, where you had better keep your password because they don't have it and everything's encrypted. It also has an Android (and, I presume Apple) app
  2. http://www.mail.com Plain weblail again with an app and manages spam well. It also has PILES of addresses, so my <@linuxmail.org> is one of theirs. When you register, you can choose your ending.
 
Old 04-17-2019, 10:28 AM   #3
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Ditto on Protonmail.

It is free, but there are limitations, unless you opt for a fee account. For example, you can't retrieve your mail via an e-mail client, such as Thunderbird, unless you pay a fee. Other than that, it "just works."
 
Old 04-17-2019, 10:57 AM   #4
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Thanks, business_kid! I tried to give you a rep point but the forum won't let me

I love the philosophy of protonmail. And it comes from CERN too, which is cool. I wouldn't be using it via an app, as I don't have a smartphone, but they do have a browser interface too.

I think mail.com looks more like Google but you can choose from a lot of different domain names which is a nice touch. Also they claim to have a very fast UI. With gmail, I can't use the default UI at all. I've had to switch to legacy html.

I've grown spoilt funelling everything through pop3. But I access my Yahoo account via html now since it got hacked (that's my "honeypot" account, the address I give organisations which insist on having an email address). And I've discovered that I need to log into gmail once a week too or spent emails collect in the trash after claws has "deleted" them. So using firefox more and claws less would not be too much of a burden. Just a matter of getting used to a different way of working.
 
Old 04-17-2019, 11:08 AM   #5
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One that doesn't spy on you as gmail does?
Assume you'll be spied on if it's "free". Even where you have truly free mail, or even if you setup and handle your own mail, you'll still be spied on when you send unencrypted mail to someone else using one of those services. Encryption is the only way.

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Old 04-17-2019, 11:23 AM   #6
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I use ukr.net for personal e-mail.

Also, I can suggest cock.li. They offer a lot of domains, offensive and not ;-)
 
Old 04-17-2019, 11:26 AM   #7
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The trouble with encryption is that it only works if both parties to a correspondence use it. That means you need to keep public keys for everyone you exchange emails with. Most of the people I correspond with don't even know what "encryption" means.

That probably excludes protonmail, but I'll do some further reading.
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You can also send unencrypted messages to Gmail, Yahoo, Outlook and others, just like regular email.

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Old 04-17-2019, 11:29 AM   #8
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Oh, and as they are closing the web hosting too, perhaps you need to migrate the website as well? https://neocities.org/ is great for static websites; though, they don't provide FTP for some reason :/
 
Old 04-17-2019, 11:36 AM   #9
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The trouble with encryption is that it only works if both parties to a correspondence use it. That means you need to keep public keys for everyone you exchange emails with. Most of the people I correspond with don't even know what "encryption" means.

That probably excludes protonmail, but I'll do some further reading.
Found it!
DeltaChat solves this problem: the keys are generated automatically, and it clearly shows if a message is encrypted or not. Moreover, it works over OpenPGP, so those who are already aware of encryption don't need to change their e-mail client of choice.
 
Old 04-17-2019, 11:39 AM   #10
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Oh, and as they are closing the web hosting too, perhaps you need to migrate the website as well? https://neocities.org/ is great for static websites; though, they don't provide FTP for some reason :/
Great. Looks like you don't need ftp. They have web tools for modifying stuff.
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Our fast static hosting comes with a great in-browser HTML editor, easy file uploading, a command line tool, RSS feeds for every site, APIs for building developer applications, and much more!
 
Old 04-17-2019, 01:33 PM   #11
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Personally, I chose to pay for email as I then know where the money is coming from to provide the service.
I really do not mean to be judgy or suggest non-paid services are in any way inferior to paid services. Just that I have learned I live on a planet where even food and water are not free to a great many people so I find that paying for things I want makes sense.
 
Old 04-17-2019, 01:58 PM   #12
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For free website hosting I like awardspace.com. No ads, so they don't inject ad code to invalidate my markup. I don't think you get FTP with a free site but I always use the web interface for all my work.


I like them well enough to have them host my domains and am very happy with them. My site needs renewal and this will make 3 years I've been with them. They have a special going on now at a reduced rate for the first year hosting at 0.90€. My site is ultimately hosted by Zetta Hosting in Sofia, Bulgaria.

I get roundmail with my hosting package. I have a email box in Israel I use for ebay receipts and can choose an interface with no scripting when I log in. I don't mind if the Mossad takes a peep.
 
Old 04-17-2019, 02:38 PM   #13
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Thanks, business_kid! I tried to give you a rep point but the forum won't let me
On looking over this thread I see none of the posts have the click box asking if the post was helpful. Maybe because it's in the Non *NIX Forum or General under that?

Anyway, as an FYI: You can add rep points by clicking on the "Rep" link beneath the poster's name and info on the left side of the post to add points. (Or at least I could - so I added a point on your behalf.)

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Old 04-17-2019, 02:42 PM   #14
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Personally, I chose to pay for email as I then know where the money is coming from to provide the service.
I really do not mean to be judgy or suggest non-paid services are in any way inferior to paid services. Just that I have learned I live on a planet where even food and water are not free to a great many people so I find that paying for things I want makes sense.
I agree, if you are not paying for a service you are most likely the product. I use posteo.de for my email, you can pick your domain and it costs only 1 euro per month. They are very privacy-aware.
 
Old 04-17-2019, 03:41 PM   #15
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Someone already mentioned Protonmail, another one that focuses on privacy is Tutanota.com and with either of those services you can set them so the receiver does not have to un-encrypt the mail. In other words they can act just like Gmail, etc.
 
  


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