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Old 04-21-2018, 11:18 AM   #1
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Assimilated by the Zuckerborg


Yet another Facebook user is surprised at how thoroughly he has been assimilated by the Zuckerborg.

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/...209422239.html

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With a few clicks, I learned that about 500 advertisers — many that I had never heard of — had my contact information, which could include my email address, phone number and full name. Facebook also had my entire phone book, including the number to ring my apartment buzzer.
I've seen several articles like this. I suspect, though it's not made clear, that the worst offender is the Facebook app for smartphones.
 
Old 04-21-2018, 11:26 AM   #2
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...I suspect, though it's not made clear, that the worst offender is the Facebook app for smartphones.
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I just deleted the Facebook app from my smartphone just the other day - looks like it was the right decision.

I never used it tho and it come pre-installed on my phone...
 
Old 04-21-2018, 02:07 PM   #3
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What worries me much more is that Facebook builds up and hoards the same kind of information about people like me who don't have a Facebook profile. If any of your real life friends
a) has a smartphone,
b) has Facebook on it, and
c) has your phone number(s), email address(es) or street address,
Facebook will have harvested that information without even asking you to tick a checkbox to give permission. Moreover you are not able to download and look at this "shadow profile", let alone delete anything in it. And is there anyone in Europe or America who does not have at least one friend who checks a, b and c?
 
Old 04-21-2018, 08:48 PM   #4
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That is a very good point and one I would like to see someone with the resources to do so to bankroll some lawyers to pursue.

Facebook is collecting information on persons who have never agreed to their TOS.

I do have a Facebook account and I use Facebook very rarely and only when I must (I do outreach for an organization and you have to reach out to where the people are). I visit it only in a private browser window only long enough to do what I have to do.

I used to use it fairly often up till half a decade ago, until I realized how nefarious it is. Honestly, it makes Ian Fleming's SPECTRE look like the Salvation Army.
 
Old 04-22-2018, 11:51 AM   #5
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In the UK one shouldn't need a lawyer to pursue this. The Information Commissioner should investigate a case like that reported in the first post, if a complaint is made.
 
Old 04-22-2018, 03:59 PM   #6
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For me, it always comes back to ... "Where are the laws? Where are the international treaties?" Every other advance in electronic communication was buttressed by laws, especially with regard to privacy, whereas the most-important and most-significant one of all has nothing to speak of.

"Cambridge Analytica" is the first data-mining operation to get any sort of attention, and this only because it vaguely had something to do with politics after "the wrong candidate" won a now-famous election. But it simply serves to point out that, by and large, the necessary laws and legal principles don't exist yet.
 
Old 04-22-2018, 09:29 PM   #7
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The New York Times had another article about Facebook today. As a thumbnail, it examines how Facebook's algorithm, designed to promote engagement with Facebook and consequently more on-line time for users, has a side effect of promoting hate speech; the authors theorize that this is because posts that incite strong emotions tend to be the posts that generate the most views.

To put it another way, hate sells.

The article is quite long, but I think it is worth a reading.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/22/i...sri-lanka.html

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We came to understand that Facebook’s algorithm-driven newsfeed, by pushing out whatever content drew the most engagement from users, does more than amplify existing prejudices or boost extremists.

By pushing out content charged by negative, primal emotions like anger or fear — which, studies show, perform best on the algorithm — the platform can change how people see the world and relate to one another. In countries with weak institutions but where Facebook use is widespread, that can allow misinformation to run rampant. And in societies with histories of deep social distrust, it can turn deadly.
Full disclosure: I subscribe to the print edition of the Sunday NYT because it's full of news, unlike my local rag, which is an excellent rag to which I also have a print subscription, but struggling.

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Old 04-22-2018, 10:19 PM   #8
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To my way of thinking, however, these "momentarily tantalizing" news-headlines are, in fact, nothing but a foil meant to deflect "inevitably-growing public awareness" about the true state of affairs that we have blindly allowed to take place.

We have created an Internet of things. Our phones, having both microphones and cameras and GPSes, (might) have been transmitting data from any-or-all of these sources. Our cars, being similarly equipped, might right-now be transmitting God-knows-What to God-knows-Where. Did it ever occur to you that your shirt might (still ...) contain a still-identifiable RFID-chip in its collar?

And now, let's briefly discuss where this data might be going! To be sure, it has sailed right outside of the boundaries of "your country," and thus well-beyond the limits of "your laws," in quest of the cheapest labor-costs and utilities-costs. And, in this way, "incredibly-personal data" about hundreds-of-millions of "actual people" have wound up ... ???

"Damage control!! Damage control!!" Put "the Citizens United Decision™" in full force! "International corporations" are "citizens" in their constitutional right(!) to "$peak to ˘ongre$$" "a$ only ˘orporation$ ˘an do" ... (whew!) "don't you feel better now, Congressman/Senator?"

- - -
Mark my words: "the sh*t is (finally!) about to hit the fan." And, when it does, it's gonna be international.
 
Old 04-22-2018, 11:38 PM   #9
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Systemd is OK but facebook sux.
Android sux but Gnu/Linux is OK.
Linux sux but BSD is OK.
Dependancies sux but dependency resolution is OK.
Google sux but Bing, Duck duck go, or startpage is OK.
Root default distros like Puppy sux but Ubuntu is OK.

Computer Geeks are a funny breed of creature.

Which convinces me. I aint a geek.

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Old 04-23-2018, 05:21 AM   #10
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Those of us who live in the UK are probably familiar with Martin Lewis, the original Money Saving Expert. As well as giving advice on his website and on the BBC, he is a doughty campaigner against financial scams. But now his image is being used to market investment scams on Facebook. Each time he complains, Facebook takes the ad down and another one immediately replaces it. People are more likely to fall for these scams, he thinks, because they appear to have his approval.

He is now suing Facebook for defamation of character and says he will give any damages to anti-scam charities.
 
Old 04-23-2018, 07:05 AM   #11
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The article is blocked from w*rk for me, but from the quote I suspect the author is a WhatsApp user - WhatsApp's "privacy"[sic] policy states that it regularly sends the user's entire 'phone book home, but doesn't say what the company's new owners do with it.

I admit it, I've used Facebook, and its Android app. Last week it presented me with "updated" terms, in an attempt to appease the EU. My opinion of the EU went up that day (for getting FB to admit to, among other things, collecting filenames from any device its app runs on), and I moved a rug aside to let my opinion of Facebook settle a little lower. Then I disabled the app and installed a fresh copy in the same sandbox I use for WhatsApp.
 
Old 04-23-2018, 07:44 AM   #12
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Last week it presented me with "updated" terms, in an attempt to appease the EU.
Exactly.

Like any other business, they had to comply with GDPR. They simply 'fast forwarded this' a little as an attempt to convince those that use the service, that they are responding to the Cambridge Analytica scandal. In terms of a response, they haven't done a lot and have historically done little more than lie and feign apology, when caught out, while continuing to cream off eye watering profits.
 
Old 04-28-2018, 08:37 PM   #13
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Systemd is OK but facebook sux.
Android sux but Gnu/Linux is OK.
Linux sux but BSD is OK.
Dependancies sux but dependency resolution is OK.
Google sux but Bing, Duck duck go, or startpage is OK.
Root default distros like Puppy sux but Ubuntu is OK.

Computer Geeks are a funny breed of creature.

Which convinces me. I aint a geek.
with 5,416 posts ( as of time of this reply ) to this forum
it totally eludes my understanding how you can claim that your not a geek

that's like a dude claiming " I quit masturbating yesterday "
 
Old 04-29-2018, 07:50 AM   #14
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with 5,416 posts ( as of time of this reply ) to this forum
it totally eludes my understanding how you can claim that your not a geek

that's like a dude claiming " I quit masturbating yesterday "
One can intermingle and travel in a environment that one can be totally different in thinking and mannerisms.
Like a scooter tramp in a Hari Krishna campsite. He may enjoy the company . The girls for example.
With out subscribing to their belief system.

I just find it weird how picky and UN-empathetic free world thinking computers users can be.
My neices and autistic son live on facebook.
It makes them happy and they probably look forward to that part of their day.

Masturbate, huh? See. My way of thinking has nothing in common with yours.

Who am I to poh poh what makes them happy.
No matter how twisted the mordor aspect of what makes them happy is?

You are free to think of me as you like.
Have a nice Sunday. I know I will.
 
Old 05-13-2018, 10:22 AM   #15
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What is a shadow profile, I don't use these social sites.
 
  


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