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Old 05-02-2018, 05:00 AM   #16
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Did you try dentures for individual teeth (not a full denture set) for individual teeth. These are simple and cost effective.
At the moment I don't need dentures. I may be over 70 but I still have all my teeth except for one post-and-crown, and this one that I just lost.
@Ondoho: it's not that simple. Before the 2nd world war, English dentists pulled teeth as a simple cure for all problems. Most poor people had full dentures by the time they were 40. But there were a lot of dentists among the Jewish refugees (our family dentist was one of them) and they pulled teeth only as a last resort. People preferred to go to them, so English dentists learned to do protective work. Mostly this was fairly inexpensive. The change is that now they are doing fancy stuff and charging a king's ransom for it.
 
Old 05-02-2018, 05:43 AM   #17
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Well as much as it sometimes disgusts me it is also a simple fact that people make a huge amount of judgments based on simple appearances. While it's true that this is a fundamental issue for "beauty queens and film stars" it is also, somewhat regrettably true for anyone who must deal with The Public in any way. The sad truth is that pretty people most often get preferential treatment not to mention that being even remotely toothless causes people to assume we are low class and of such low intellect and self esteem that we deserve to be. Since the large majority of dentist accounts are young and still in business, they affect the prices and services most.

Additionally, traditional and cheaper methods of tooth replacement may look good at least when they fit well but the simple truth is that dentures of any kind are a bloody nightmare. Implants are naturally extremely expensive but IMHO well worth the pain and cost since after all, in addition to affecting our appearance to ourselves and others we also have to eat with them. Maybe one day something like stem cells can be applied so that we simply grow a new tooth but for now it is surgery, real surgery.
This pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject. I have many bad teeth (probably all of them, in some way) and if I could afford it I'd get them all fixed implants and all so that I could eat more efficiently and so that I wouldn't put people off. If I went to a dentist now I'm fairly certain most of my teeth would be removed or badly filled and I'd end up looking like a homeless person -- not good when job hunting, for example. As it is my teeth look fairly bad but passable to people not looking at them (in other words they don't draw attention) so I'm OK in social situations and job interviews but women could be put off if trying to date.
A colleague has recently had a lower front tooth removed and won't wear the denture because it's too bulky and even painful at times. He doesn't look bad but the gap is obvious and it does draw the attention. He's currently weighing up whether an implant is going to be worth it and how much is covered by his dental plan.

I think the UK should be extremely ashamed by our dental care -- virtually nobody can get standard cost NHS dental work, never mind free dental work yet we know dental caries is a major factor in heart disease.
 
Old 05-02-2018, 06:01 AM   #18
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I think the UK should be extremely ashamed by our dental care -- virtually nobody can get standard cost NHS dental work, never mind free dental work yet we know dental caries is a major factor in heart disease.
Dental care is an anomaly in the NHS. It's the only medical treatment that you have to pay for. Private patients pay more of course, and many kinds of treatment are only available privately. I think children get NHS treatment free and old people used to in my mother's time, but not any more.

When we first moved to Harrow in 1976, my mother and I registered with a traditional dental practice. It operated out of the first floor of a residential house and consisted of about three dentists and a cheerful middle-aged receptionist who kept bees and was always ready for a natter. They never tried to persuade NHS patients to buy expensive private treatments, although they did sometimes say, "I'm sorry but I can't do that for you on the NHS.". Then it got taken over by a company called Central Dental Care.

The first time I walked in, I knew that everything had changed. The new clinic is on the ground floor on a big shopping street and is lushly upholstered. There is a rota of very pretty receptionists with foreign accents. The walls are plastered with advertisements for expensive extra treatments. The old dentists came over initially but have all now left, and the new ones, though technically proficient, clearly have very little interest in patients' teeth except as a source of money. Yes, you still get NHS treatment at reasonable cost, for which God be thanked! But they are always trying to sell you something more profitable to them.

I repeat: I do not like the modern world.
 
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I repeat: I do not like the modern world.
I have to agree with this.
I do recall getting free dental care as a child (under 18, I think was the cut-off) and am ashamed to say I've not been to a dentist in at least 25 years apart from having a tooth extracted, free of charge, at an NHS teaching hospital.
 
Old 05-02-2018, 08:28 AM   #20
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It's occurring to me that diets are vastly different between me and my parents. My parents were born in the 1920s, they didn't have all sorts of mass distributed fast food, etc. Me being born at the tail end of the baby boom where I'm not really one of them, grew up with a huge growth in processed foods, and fast food joints. And all that has exploded the last 20 years or so. Diet definitely affects people's teeth.
 
Old 05-02-2018, 08:44 AM   #21
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Dentistry in the UK has always been the realm of private healthcare. It's NHS subsidised, but all provided by private practitioners. A simple checkup costs just over 20, any work costs nearly 60 and anything more serious will cost around the 250 mark or not be covered (that's when it starts to run into thousands). But in some cases, especially extractions, you have the option of (waiting) and going to the maxillofacial department of your local hospital and getting the procedure done for free.

When all that is said and done, the 20 checkups, usually every 6 months are not a huge amount - it's just that many people don't bother.

I had two wisdom teeth out in the last 18 months or so - first ever extractions for me. One had been filled before and was pretty much falling apart (I can blame this not on the NHS but a dentist abroad about 7 years ago). The other was an "impacted" wisdom tooth which was also giving me some trouble.

First was done by the dentist and cost me the 60 charge. The second was removed in hospital.

All money and time well spent.

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Old 05-02-2018, 11:11 AM   #22
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I have check-ups twice a year and consider it money well spent. I can afford to pay for basic treatment when I need it. But I will not pay extortionate sums for trivial benefits.

My wisdom teeth never came through! Apparently my jaw is too narrow to accommodate them. But I think I have enough wisdom all the same to know when I am being scammed.
 
Old 05-03-2018, 11:31 AM   #23
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@Ondoho: it's not that simple. Before the 2nd world war, English dentists pulled teeth as a simple cure for all problems. Most poor people had full dentures by the time they were 40. But there were a lot of dentists among the Jewish refugees (our family dentist was one of them) and they pulled teeth only as a last resort. People preferred to go to them, so English dentists learned to do protective work. Mostly this was fairly inexpensive. The change is that now they are doing fancy stuff and charging a king's ransom for it.
what is not that simple?
my story certainly wasn't, and your b/w comparison does not apply - but in the described situation, after repeatedly failed "protective" work, a clean pull was the best alternative, and not the (much more lucrative) bridging.
and the fearmongering and patronising to further one's material goals is a much observed fact which i strongly object to.
 
Old 05-03-2018, 12:24 PM   #24
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My first wife pulled one of her own teeth with a pair of pliers. She said it hurt so bad it was a relief to pull it.

I prefer general anesthetic and go to an oral surgeon. It's like they flip a light switch, you go out and wake up with no sense of time passing, but your tooth is gone.

I told the guy who drove me over that that whatever he did, don't let all those nurses have sex with me while I'm knocked out. They were in the room when I said it and thought that was funny.
 
Old 05-03-2018, 01:17 PM   #25
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^ if you were female, and the nurses male, it wouldn't have been funny.

nevertheless, +1 for pulling teeth!
 
Old 05-03-2018, 02:40 PM   #26
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^ if you were female, and the nurses male, it wouldn't have been funny.
PC was not a bugaboo back then and they knew me or I probably wouldn't have said it. When they walked by the door while I was waking up they all made funny eyes at me like they had as part of the joke anyway.

Today I would possibly be heavily fined, perp walked for public humiliation and assigned to attend sensitivity training classes for exhibiting such blatant insensitivity and pretentious male privilege.
 
Old 05-03-2018, 04:24 PM   #27
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Oh the good old days...Small practices that were run like a family business/small business, Dr.'s that actually knew your family and were "friends"...now the trend is towards large multi state or multi national conglomerates where everyone is just a number attached to an invoice.

I remember when I was in my early 20's going to the family dentist and he was going to do some "bonding" work to fix a few gaps in my teeth (didn't bother me as a kid), anyway I was in the chair looking at National Geographic something or other and the Dentist walks in shakes my hand, asks me how I've been, how much I grew etc.. etc.. and then glances over at the magazine and says: "do you want to look at the Playboy magazines, I have a few that your father likes to look at when he is getting his teeth cleaned." LOL...Try saying or doing that these days, people are so overly emotional anymore.

I agree Hazel, the modern world is going in the wrong direction.
 
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The dentist I used for over 20 years was a competent professional and personable. He retired due to back problems and the dentist who bought the practice from him, although knowledgeable about his profession is more reminiscent of a used car salesman, always trying to sell something useless like teeth whitening products for the over 60 crowd.
 
  


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