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Old 04-30-2018, 10:55 AM   #1
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Are people really so vain?


I've just come back from the dentist. Four months ago one of my teeth broke off painlessly while I was brushing them (moral: don't brush your teeth, it's bad for them!) and he wanted to know how I was getting on without it.

He offered to implant a replacement for 2,000. Two thousand pounds?? For a tooth? Are people really that vain? I could understand it if I were a beauty queen or a film star. But for an ordinary person, especially one of my age, it's lunacy. Especially as the gap is in my lower jaw, where it isn't exposed when I smile.

I get the impression that dentistry has changed a lot since I was young. In those days, people became dentists because they wanted to fix people's teeth. Of course they needed to make a profit from doing it because that was what they lived on, but as long as they made a reasonable amount, they were happy. Nowadays, making money seems to be the only purpose of the enterprise. Fixing teeth comes in a poor second to persuading idiots to spend large sums of money on unnecessary vanity projects.

I do not like the modern world!
 
Old 04-30-2018, 11:00 AM   #2
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IMO, it depends on how much of the tooth is gone. If it's TOTALLY missing, then it's not a vanity thing, it's a I don't want food getting stuck in the hole where the tooth was and driving me further insane. If it's just snapped off the top so that it's useless but foods not going to get stuck, then I agree, I'd live without, not worth the time, hassle, or $$$ of getting it replaced.

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Old 04-30-2018, 11:17 AM   #3
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You can get a piece of bridgework for about 300. That might yet be worth it. The incisor next to the gap is a little bit wobbly and may be the next one to go. If it does, I'll get a bridge put in. At the moment, I'm fine. The bottom of the tooth is still in place and has been levelled off, so there's no empty socket that food can collect in.

btw Tim, you have a spelling mistake in your signature.
 
Old 04-30-2018, 12:41 PM   #4
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btw Tim, you have a spelling mistake in your signature.
Oh, hey, thanks for pointing that out, hadn't noticed!
 
Old 04-30-2018, 03:45 PM   #5
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hazel, I think you are touching on one of the many problems of modern society, many of us live in such luxurious conditions (historically speaking) that we have become wasteful with extravagances. The whole need/want paradigm. Many professions/professionals are more then ready to pounce on this trend and take full advantage. Pat on your back for being awake.
 
Old 04-30-2018, 06:06 PM   #6
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Well as much as it sometimes disgusts me it is also a simple fact that people make a huge amount of judgments based on simple appearances. While it's true that this is a fundamental issue for "beauty queens and film stars" it is also, somewhat regrettably true for anyone who must deal with The Public in any way. The sad truth is that pretty people most often get preferential treatment not to mention that being even remotely toothless causes people to assume we are low class and of such low intellect and self esteem that we deserve to be. Since the large majority of dentist accounts are young and still in business, they affect the prices and services most.

Additionally, traditional and cheaper methods of tooth replacement may look good at least when they fit well but the simple truth is that dentures of any kind are a bloody nightmare. Implants are naturally extremely expensive but IMHO well worth the pain and cost since after all, in addition to affecting our appearance to ourselves and others we also have to eat with them. Maybe one day something like stem cells can be applied so that we simply grow a new tooth but for now it is surgery, real surgery.
 
Old 04-30-2018, 06:35 PM   #7
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In America dental work is considered cosmedic, therefore they make you pay out the wazz zoo for it. Does it cost that much to manufacture, I highly doubt it. it is the legalized raping of the people. using the broader term of rape, (which falls under control over others against their will. )
 
Old 04-30-2018, 07:48 PM   #8
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No one in medical is charging less than 20 years ago that is for sure.

If you are somewhat young it might benefit you to replace or cap/crown that tooth. The remaining tooth will not be stable. A bridge is more of a hassle than a crown.

I've heard that some folks go to other countries in the EU to get work for less. We had a guy go to Thailand for a month to get his teeth worked on. Flight and dental was still half what US wanted. Work hit the roof when they found out they had to pay sick leave on that.
 
Old 04-30-2018, 08:44 PM   #9
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One of the items driving costs is technology (we will disregard any issues peculiar to the remarkably messed up U. S. health care system, which seems to exist primarily to pay the country-club membership fees for insurance company and pharma CEOs).

Also, dental work eventually wears out. I am right now having a bunch of dental work that was done 25-30 years ago wear out. I've had to have several fillings and one cap replaced. A couple of caps in need of replacement I'm replacing with implants. The rest will be bridgework. The various locations' effect on occlusion is driving the distinction.

Also my friend just tripped over the cat and broke her hip (the wily beast sneaked up behind her and laid in wait!); that hip now has three screws in it to keep it from shifting during the healing process. Thirty years ago, the treatment probably would have been some kind of monstrous cast or traction or both.

The nursing stations all had portable computer stations on carts for updating and consulting medical records. Automatic equipment monitored blood pressure, respiration, and so on. X-rays and other images were computerized and networked so that they could be viewed from any authorized workstation (this was also the case at the dentist office).

The tech is all proprietary and no doubt expensive. This being the States, it's probably even more expensive.

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Old 04-30-2018, 11:03 PM   #10
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An implant is a better solution than a bridge if that is an option. It also costs much more although I can't really see why. Where I live, most Dental insurance will cover bridge work, crowns, etc. but not implants at all. Not sure what vanity has to do with getting an implant that isn't visible? Given the situation explained above, I wouldn't do anything unless it became bothersome/painful. I'm absolutely amazed at the massive increase in medical costs. Several friends actually drive the one hour to Mexico to get dental work done.
 
Old 05-01-2018, 07:50 AM   #11
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drive the one hour to Mexico to get dental work done.
Guilty. Though when I buy me some new teeth. It'll be on this side of the border. Better fitment. Better Tech .
I have a few grand saved for a new mouth of teeth.
I like to eat being as big as I am and chewing food is a requirement for that enjoyment.

I'm too big and gorilla like to be vain.
My wife always tells me to change out of my work clothes before being seen out in public with her. Because all my work clothes have welding burn holes in them.
 
Old 05-01-2018, 08:40 AM   #12
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This all just makes me think about Carly Simon.

Hey at least that's not very modern
 
Old 05-01-2018, 10:03 AM   #13
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Just for clarification

just to correct the use of the word 'vain' the one seeking a tooth being fixed. is this being done in vain?

having or showing an excessively high opinion of one's appearance, abilities, or worth.

this is greed we are speaking of here in charging so much for something that cannot cost as much as they tell you it is.

intense and selfish desire for something, especially wealth, power, or food.
 
Old 05-01-2018, 10:27 AM   #14
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He offered to implant a replacement for 2,000. Two thousand pounds?? For a tooth? Are people really that vain?
yes, especially dentists!
joking aside, i am familiar with this.

for a dentist, every tooth is capital.

they will never allow a tooth to be simply removed, because it means less opportunity to make money.
a pulling is also much cheaper than all this fancy repairing and bridging.

2 decades ago i had a tooth that had been causing lots of trouble: badly fixed earlier, some deep inflammation, badly fixed a second time. now, of course they wanted to bridge it - i.e. file it down, make a root canal treatment, then file down the two adjacent teeth and put some complex and very expensive "bridge" over it.
i was instinctively against damaging healthy teeth, so i asked if we couldn't simply pull the tooth that had been causing me pain for years, and leave the gap as it is (it was in the back of my mouth, not front).
reaction: incredulous stare, a round-mouthed "nooooo", and a long explanation as to why that's a dangerous and unhealthy notion, that can be summarized as patronising and fearmongering (including "risk of suffocation", i'm NOT making this up).
i had to go to another dentist in a much poorer area that was actually willing to do this (for cash, at that, bless him forever) - just pull the damn thing.
result:
no more pain in that part of my mouth.
still breathing.
for 20 years.

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Old 05-01-2018, 09:05 PM   #15
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Did you try dentures for individual teeth (not a full denture set) for individual teeth. These are simple and cost effective. On the flip side,
  1. As you age more, your jaw shape changes. So every 3-4 years, you have to replace the set. I suspect that that will be the case even in implants or bridges.
  2. You have to remove them every night (to avoid swallowing it and thus choking / suffocating on it in your sleep).

OK

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