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Old 08-04-2017, 09:04 AM   #91
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I just echo the sentiment from that this 1960's political stunt has become a terrible bane to actual human exploration beyond Low-Earth Orbit, capable of preventing scientists and engineers (who are on the government dole) from actually tackling the enormous problems that we [u]now(!)[/b] know to face us, because of the mandate to preserve a 1960's myth. This could easily, and spectacularly, kill people. And if that happens, programs to explore Space would be set back for even-more decades.

We know that El Sol is a ferocious, unshielded, thermonuclear furnace whose emissions are capable of causing auroras, not only on Earth, but on Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus, as well. (The electrical current which powers the auroras is hundreds of thousands of times greater than all of the mankind-generated electricity on this planet.) We know that the Moon is an extremely radioactive place because of it. Sometimes El Sol "burps" without warning and a satellite gets fried. And yes, we want to send human beings into that! And, get them safely back home again. We've got a long, long way to go.

And, standing squarely in the way of that ... is human (national ...) pride. In some ways a human force more powerful than the sun. "Well, it's standing in our way, now. It's got to go." Suck it up and come clean. That piece of petrified wood didn't come from the Moon, after all.

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Here again we have a good example of how deniers will latch on to anything while not thinking it through. Do you really imagine that the astronauts, let alone NASA, even if the moon landing was faked, would try to pawn off petrified wood as a moon rock? Or is it more likely that some politico from the State Department, J. William Middendorf II, who actually thought up and presented the "gift" would be so ignorant and foolish to make such a ridiculous and easily disproved claim? Yet some articles claim it was given by Armstrong and Aldrin since that spin makes it seem more likely that NASA is all about fakery AND incredibly stupid.

Sundialsvcs, you are a reasonably bright man, but you rely on common sense (and sometimes, not so sensibly) in areas where common sense has been proven to not work namely where one has no point of reference. You may even be something of a Renaissance Man but that is a major problem if you haven't been educated in scientific advances since the 20th Century, and apparently, you haven't. To be clear what I refer to is exemplified by the general public's reaction to Relativity, Quantum Mechanics (which incidentally holds the record for the highest percentage of the most successful predictions ever made in human history) Dark Matter and Dark Energy.

Most of the public, or at least most with any Science education at all, over the age of 40 grew up with the concept that atoms look like little solar systems (they don't though most still "see" them this way) and are the smallest, indivisible particle, even though they are made up of 3 smaller particles. These people tend to find Quarks as offensive and phony exactly because their education stopped before Quarks were well-understood. They liked it simple with just 3 subatomic particles (proton, neutron, and electron) instead of 6 families with odd names like up, down, strange, charm, top and bottom. It just doesn't seem sensible.

It is exactly this sort of bias, and lack of specific Science education, that I think drives you to doubt that which is beyond your education and six senses. Things that can be in two places at the same time or that wink in and out of existence from seemingly nothing offends your senses, and I admit it is exceedingly difficult to realize that the Universe is under no obligation to be sensible to you, or anyone else for that matter, but it is how it is on levels we don't inhabit or even have awareness of other than with powerful and seemingly arcane instruments. Science left the Six Senses behind a century ago... and there has been The Fool On The Hill for longer than that. (Shout Out to Nicolaus Copernicus!).

There is solid proof that the Apollo Missions were and are reality. No amount of questionable photos, State Department gifts or worries about radiation can repudiate laser reflections, radar tracking and surveyor photos of tracks on the moon. People tend to doubt we can identify the origin of meteorites, that we know if a rock found in Antarctica came from the Moon or Mars, for example, but we can. Despite any and all seemingly reasonable concerns (at least to those of limited Science education and experience), the reality of the Moon Landings is an accomplished fact.

Originally Posted by Galileo Galilei
E pur si muove

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