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Old 11-14-2016, 01:36 AM   #586
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Having finished most of the major hardware projects inregards to older PCs,
here is my list below of OSes to try for older PCs. These will be my future
projects. Even if I do one or two of these a week, in about 3 months approx.
I must be done thru this list and can be confident about mastery with older
computers. There will always be something new to learn but this will
cover most of the major areas and give me a strong base.

General OSes
Linux BBQ
Antix
4MLinux
Linux Lite (DVD)
Xubuntu (was told this is good for older computers)
Vector Linux Lite - Seems ok to try also but I am not a fan of slackaware

Arch Linux
Gentoo
LFS (Half hearted about this, as it is more for learning)

Utility OSes
Zentyal
Clonezilla
Kali Linux (Big DVD)
Easy Nas
GRNL
PFSense

Rescue CDs
Trinity Rescue Kit
grml

Anything that can be done to hasten this learning curve is good. The trial and learning of above can be made faster with the use of a VM in C2D and getting familiar with these OSes first. Online reviews and comments will also help to get a general idea beforehand.

Brainstorm a bit more think of all software, hardware issues that one can face with older PCs and think of ways to solve them. Also, think of max. ways to use older PCs.
Leave no stone unturned.

Professional Level (Will take a year or more to achieve)
Learn:
1. Data Structures
2. Algorithms
3. Pascal Programming

4. Promote and support the use of older PCs. Remove any related hurdles, baggages with ease so that the user of the old PC can be comfortable and enjoy using it like eating a delicious slice of well crusted nice pizza with great pleasure and cherish the memorable experience.

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Old 11-18-2016, 05:24 PM   #587
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Results of my OS trials on the C2D PC using VirtualBox

General OSes
Linux BBQ - X Fails to load, so need to setup X, wonder if it will work on i386 PC
It is also Debian based and seems more work than Antix, so will try this first.
Antix = Works ok
4MLinux – Works ok, just rescue OS
Linux Lite (DVD) – PAE kernel needed
Xubuntu (was told this is good for older computers) - PAE kernel needed
Vector Linux Lite - Seems ok to try also but I am not a fan of slackaware
md5sum is ok, but iso has x on it, fails to load, error message
Vbox_E Object not found
BodhiLinux
md5sum is ok, but iso has x on it, fails to load, error message
Vbox_E Object not found

Arch Linux – Boots ok and comes to root prompt and halts, need to learn to proceed from here
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Installation_guide
This is a process and will take time, needs min i686 PC, so will not work on P3 etc., So not worth
pursuing.
Gentoo – Live DVD failed to load, perhaps needs x86-64
Minical CD install for x86 started ok
LFS (Half hearted about this, as it is more for learning)

Utility OSes
Zentyal – Loaded ok but said needs install and will erase full disk so halted for safety.
Tried again later, only i686 Processor detected, needs x86-64
Clonezilla
Kali Linux (Big DVD) – PAE kernel needed
Easy Nas – Says 64 Bit PC needed even on the C2D
FreeNas – Needs AMD64 Architecture for install

PFSense – Boots ok but came to a shell fast, need to learn more about this
https://doc.pfsense.org/index.php/Installing_pfSense
ipfire – installed ok on Virtual HD

nethserver – only i686 Processor detected, needs x86-64
Rescue CDs
Trinity Rescue Kit – md5sum is ok, but iso has x on it, fails to load, error message
Vbox_E Object not found
grml – Works ok, just rescue OS

Conclusion:
Antix is concise and a full distro, so seems to be the good choice. The rest are either too big or too small. Ipfire seems ok for a firewall. So the C2D PC was indeed very useful in choosing what works and what doesn't. Gentoo Linux worth learning about as an experience. Perhaps I can get an iso of different architecture for some of the ISOs but can leave this for later if they are really needed. Will reflect on the outcome a bit. Didn't expect to finish this list so fast.
 
Old 11-19-2016, 01:51 AM   #588
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Bear in mind that both Gentoo and LFS are metadistributions: you can put as much or as little as you like into them.
 
Old 11-19-2016, 05:19 AM   #589
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Bear in mind that both Gentoo and LFS are metadistributions: you can put as much or as little as you like into them.
Yes, I have been reflecting further. I also got a VT-X disabled error for some ISOs on virtualbox. This was enabled in the BIOS and helped overcome this error.

My main choice is still Puppy Linux for now.

Vital to learn for older PCs P2 to P4
Antix and IPFire
Need to get these on CD and also bootable USB.

For quite old PCs before P2
Linux BBQ - needs a lot more tweaking

Good to know long term projects that can be learned on the side but not essential:
Gentoo and LFS
Arch is also a good experience it seems for i686 and beyond

Here is a nice very basic Gentoo Install Guide:
https://www.unixmen.com/a-beginners-...nstall-gentoo/

When bored, instead of watching a movie or bugging someone, good to learn the above projects slowly but there is no rush for these.

Tiny Distros
Slitaz and Nano Linux are good for super slow retro hardware with limited space.

Other Learning
Read a Mobo manual fully.
Open a nonworking Optical drive for experience.

General Social Networking
Connect with others into older PCs including used PC sellers in real life.

General Comments:
Winworld PC gets mostly into windows software for older PCs. I prefer to stay with linux. I am also not interested in just collecting retro PCs, I wish to actually use these. In this regard, the practical limit is P2 to P4 PCs, with my finds on street being closer to P4. This I maintain as my core objective when it comes to retro PCs. Must have come much earlier in this thread, however it is interesting how I am realizing it after all these years. Even P3 is super slow and consumes massive CPU resources when a site hangs, yesterday it was at 60% almost at one point. So even with P3, it is best to use it specifically for certain tasks that it is good for. So, with PCs older than P3, this becomes even more true.
 
Old 11-19-2016, 05:39 PM   #590
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lightw...x_distribution

Just came across the above. In the process of making a USB drive for older PCs with ISOs etc., and first partition is bootable. Will see how it works.

Yesterday, learned from a big mistake of using Puppy Linux and Seamonkey on a P3, it hung with very high CPU usage of even 60% at times, felt like using a bicycle uphill the wrong way in traffic. Such a situation must be avoided without any doubt.

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Old 11-20-2016, 06:56 AM   #591
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Using unetbootin I tried to create bootable USB of
nanolinux, this worked well. It is based on tiny core
which came out of DSL. Nanolinux worked very well
have tried it before. The simple tetris clone game on
it worked amazingly well, very impressive.
There is also a repository of packages for it, important to
know how to use it.

Ipfire bootable USB also works fine.

Unetbootin said extlinux package is needed, this was installed
using apt-get. I am still using my C2D for this and also using
virtual box to test Oses when needed. This is sort of like using
a thorn to remove a thorn. As long as C2D helps to use retro PC
this is fine.

I went back to a wrong way of thinking recently that bigger is better
for older OS after I saw Antix. This is a very big error and am glad
was corrected without much damage and waste of time.

Even recently, some folks have already studied the best Linux distros for older PCs
and their conclusion interestingly was Slitaz, here is their list:
http://www.techradar.com/news/softwa...istros-1295034

Slitaz bootable USB only identified HD partitions on boot and failed
to identify itself eventho the USB partition was flagged to be bootable.
So, ran this from virtualbox to test and it worked out ok, really impressive.
It is possible to make a live bootable USB image of Slitaz from the OS
itself once it is running, this is an option that I must try in future if I really
feel like using Slitaz. The two things that Slitaz Live CD is really missing
and I need are an IRC client and an email client.
There is a packages DVD for slitaz that is really impressive:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/slitaz/iso...es-cooking.iso
Took some searching to find it as previous links to it were broken
but glad I found it.
Getting this DVD now. Since older PCs that I have don't have DVD
ROM drive, have to copy from this DVD the packages that are needed
to USB drive and then transfer to older PC, still it is worth it.

Now at this stage, I am familiar with most applications I need, so will not
focus on learning about them. My focus is on challenges to installing an OS
on older PC, using that OS, related applications, upgrading
and maintaining them. It is excellent that the 64 bit OS offer multiple ways
to make a bootable USB from running the OS itself and via unetbootin,
so both of these must be tried out. Must also try out a new OS for
older PC every month or three months in future even after all this learning
is done to keep updated, sharpen skills etc., Thus one doesn't get too far
outdated.
 
Old 11-25-2016, 03:05 PM   #592
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When it comes to older PCs having a software addiction is easier to handle interms of real life storage space. The site below is the linux equivalent of windworldpc, it is a real treasure chest considering older PCs with several abandoned Linux, BSD and other OSes. Explore slowly, grab all that you like and please share with others with same interest:

https://archiveos.org/about-archiveos/

My only wish with such a site is that wish I had found it a long time ago.
 
Old 12-02-2016, 01:27 PM   #593
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Trash Picked Computers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dn36eoJEG9Y

Few other similar videos on youtube, interesting to see and learn.
 
Old 12-02-2016, 01:58 PM   #594
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http://lightlinux.blogspot.ca/2009/0...ter-day-1.html

NetBSD on old PC use for a month, nice experiment but was done only in console mode without X. Edited to add: This blog goes for only 2 days.

How to recover Gold from used Computers:
https://youtu.be/8lXd85YfcvY
Someone just shared the above with me.

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Old 12-07-2016, 02:51 PM   #595
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I have a 2006 Dell KB that is simply not recognized by any PC.
Today, I saw that the USB wire had been cut closer to the KB.
So opened it up today and got from it:
1. All the screws, saved these in a plastic medical vial
2. Fully cut the damaged USB chord and saved it for a
future project if needed.
3. Removed the KB small stands behind
4. Removed all the keys and saved them all in a plastic container
5. Saved the KB PCB, the soft keypad insider and also the plastic
white CB. These can be used to fill empty space or other recycling
projects.

Glad I reflected well and did the above. All in all it took like
15 mts. Will be faster next time.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 04:07 PM   #596
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USB chord? Is that the key of G,or do you mean a cord :P

You can do artsy projects with the keys, glue them together into names or words and such. My kids like to do things like that.
 
Old 12-07-2016, 04:18 PM   #597
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USB chord? Is that the key of G,or do you mean a cord :P

You can do artsy projects with the keys, glue them together into names or words and such. My kids like to do things like that.
The USB wire.
 
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I was poking fun at the spelling cord (wire) chord (musical notes)
 
Old 12-07-2016, 09:30 PM   #599
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I was poking fun at the spelling cord (wire) chord (musical notes)
Not to mention the geometric chord.
 
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