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Old 07-23-2019, 07:38 AM   #31
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I see no basis or support for either your amusement or your statement.
Don't feed it...
 
Old 07-23-2019, 07:46 AM   #32
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“If something else is bad, that Porn is not.”
“If something else is bad, than Ecology is too.”
“First help me get what I want, then talk about other problems.”
“I am not used to put [whatever] in question, so I won't.”
“The production of electrical cars is a dirty process, so ecology is a scam.”
“I like what I do, so ecology is a scam.”
“Exploiting people somewhere else, helps avoid exploiting people here.”


Do not worry, it's the same, here in France.
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Old 07-24-2019, 05:54 AM   #33
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not my problem of you're extremely slow.
Interesting. Do you realize that this is not the first time you have insulted another member because you either had no intelligent thing to say or did not care to share your real thoughts? It comes out seeming childish and spoiled. I wish you would stop being insulting and make clear and intelligent statements. If you have anything real to contribute, I would like very much to see what you have.
 
Old 07-24-2019, 12:57 PM   #34
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Interesting. Do you realize that this is not the first time you have insulted another member because you either had no intelligent thing to say
I am getting to think he doesn't have anything intelligent to say at all....
 
Old 07-25-2019, 03:10 AM   #35
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Porn does help. Porn's what keeps me from murdering people...
Precisely! Just like with video games(even Penn and Teller did episode about how those who play pixel violence are not ready for real life violence without training) and other ways of releasing suppressed urges including hobbies. They do not make people more violent cause they allow 'releasing steam' in safe way so that there is no need to release it on other living beings.

I have done very terrible things in video games myself as pixel crimes but not even trying to do real life crimes.

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Old 07-27-2019, 08:03 AM   #36
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OK, so here's another reason. Apparently 90% of porn sites leak data to third parties. So do non-porn sites of course, but you'd think that the porn sites would have extra reasons to want to preserve their customers' privacy. A check of over 22,000 sites across the world showed that less than a fifth had an accessible privacy policy, and those that had listed only a tenth of the third parties tracking users.

Admittedly this information comes, via New Scientist, from Microsoft, which makes me wonder why they are interested in discrediting porn sites. Are they thinking of starting up their own?
 
Old 07-27-2019, 02:30 PM   #37
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So porn site virus is the problem. Not the sexual content? Ok. I see. Sounds like a good argument for a 1 TB external drive. Command brushup and search skills with curl and wget.
 
Old 07-27-2019, 05:10 PM   #38
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Gone are the good old days when people thought self-pleasure was harmful, now porn needs to be.

Eventually it will be laughter (which has killed very few people, it should be statistically safer than practically anything in the world.)

No word yet on whether combining the two makes the former less harmful!
 
Old 07-27-2019, 09:26 PM   #39
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OK, I am sorry if I missed this in the thread, but I revisited the original post and noticed the title "Another reason why porn is bad for us"! Please, what was the first reason? Another implies an added reason, so there must e a first reason. Is that documented?
 
Old 07-27-2019, 10:12 PM   #40
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Please, what was the first reason?
Exploitation of those involved.

IMO the advent of DIY amateur video mitigates this in practically every way. AI suitable for doxxing (it already exists) in turn makes it potentially dangerous for those involved again, but that isn't just relevant to porn.
 
Old 07-28-2019, 05:31 AM   #41
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It's just a rumor but I heard this latest claim of porn's adverse effects including exploitation is actually a conspiracy by fired Sony employees who had lucrative jobs in the BetaMax division and are still miffed over Porn's adoption of VHS. Actually it was Harvard who has bemoaned the loss of so many prospective applicants to the Porn industry. Wait. That's not it. It was generated by all the assembly line workers packaging tapes and dvds that suffered severe paper cuts. Nah it was all the cameramen who were forced to wake up at the crack of Noon and forced to watch endless "O faces". Or.... it could've been all those Hemingway and Shakespeare contenders who wrote such stellar dialogue who have gone unappreciated by the Pulitzer Committee. Well damn! On second...(and by that I mean fifth) thought, it was definitely a conspiracy by the BMONPS.
 
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Exploitation of those involved.

IMO the advent of DIY amateur video mitigates this in practically every way. AI suitable for doxxing (it already exists) in turn makes it potentially dangerous for those involved again, but that isn't just relevant to porn.
So, if there is no exploitation then it was not bad until another reason for considering it bad could be considered? Hmmm. So, pure digital port is not bad because it only exploits electrons?
 
Old 07-29-2019, 04:51 AM   #43
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Exploitation of those involved.{...}
Then why age of consent law exist?
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The age of consent is the age at which a person is considered to be legally competent to consent to sexual acts. Consequently, an adult who engages in sexual activity with a person younger than the age of consent cannot claim that the sexual activity was consensual, and such sexual activity may be considered statutory rape. The person below the minimum age is regarded as the victim and their sex partner is regarded as the offender, unless both are underage. The purpose of setting an age of consent is to protect an underage person from sexual advances.

The term age of consent rarely appears in legal statutes.[1][page needed] Generally, a law will instead establish the age below which it is illegal to engage in sexual activity with that person. It has sometimes been used with other meanings, such as the age at which a person becomes competent to consent to marriage,[2] but the meaning given above is the one now generally understood. It should not be confused with other laws regarding age minimums including, but not limited to, the age of majority, age of criminal responsibility, voting age, drinking age, and driving age.

Age of consent laws vary widely from jurisdiction to jurisdiction,[1] though most jurisdictions set the age of consent in the range 14 to 18. The laws may also vary by the type of sexual act, the gender of the participants or other considerations, such as involving a position of trust; some jurisdictions may also make allowances for minors engaged in sexual acts with each other, rather than a single age. Charges and penalties resulting from a breach of these laws may range from a misdemeanor, such as corruption of a minor, to what is popularly called statutory rape.

There are many "grey areas" in this area of law, some regarding unspecific and untried legislation, others brought about by debates regarding changing societal attitudes, and others due to conflicts between federal and state laws. These factors all make age of consent an often confusing subject, and a topic of highly charged debates.[1]
So as long as those involved are above age of consent and not forced to do it or tricked or whatnot it is not exploitation.
 
Old 07-29-2019, 05:04 AM   #44
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Then why age of consent law exist?

So as long as those involved are above age of consent and not forced to do it or tricked or whatnot it is not exploitation.
It's not quite as simple as that. There are suggestions [I emphasise, 'suggestions'] that some girls [and maybe guys] are occasionally treated more roughly than they are comfortable with. However, they don't complain about it for fear of not getting paid at the end of the scene.

One of the standards at the end of a porn scene is for the starlet to get interviewed on camera briefly to say that the scene went well and that she wasn't mistreated. In some cases she will say yes to both questions for fear of not receiving her paycheck. I should note whether she is 'mistreated' or not can boil down to one of several variables. It can be relative and not black and white at all. I recommend a listen to the audio series "The Butterfly Effect" and especially "The Last Days of August" for more on this. I should also note that there are a lot of girls who really enjoy what they do and there are a lot of agencies who support their girls very well.

Also one shouldn't get too hung up on this supposed misteatment being restricted to porn, which is just an easy target. There are suggestions of 'abuse' all over the creative world from Dali to Kubrick to Hitchcock, not to mention Axl Rose, Liam Gallagher and a whole host of other strong creative personalities in Hollywood and beyond.

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Old 07-29-2019, 05:43 AM   #45
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Hello Lysander. I would expand on that and submit that all employers are in a position to exploit people who are in fear of not getting their paycheck. That does not prevent lawsuits and whistleblowers from getting revenge or justice especially from those whose experience was bad enough to no longer wish to receive a paycheck from that or those source(s). Also, throughout history there have been those who exploit their "customers" by selling faulty, fraudulent, or dangerous items like the cliche "snake oil" or Coca Cola. It is by no means monopolized by "creatives" let alone those in erotica/porn. Therefore the crime isn't erotica/porn. It is exploitation itself and can be appealed on those grounds.

Government exists primarily to protect it's citizens from coercion, whether overt or deceptive, whether internal or external. Aside from legal action provided by government, citizens also have "the power of the purse". If you don't like something, don't buy it, and if you feel passionate about it, say a film company or head of a film production business (Harvey Weinstein comes to mind) advertise it, bring a lawsuit, or stand up as a witness in court.

Things are neither good nor evil. A hammer can build a house or cave a man's head in. It isn't the hammer's fault. It is the wielder who is responsible and who should be held so. Obviously one does not sue a man for building a house, no matter how inappropriate or ugly someone might think it is... unless the choice to build demonstrably breaks some law about deceiving, stealing from, or coercing another whom the law also protects. I think this is why "All men are created equal (under the Law) is a cornerstone of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. It is also an abstract ideal that is rarely ever realized, but like Truth and Honesty goals to work toward and be vigilant about since there will always be those who attempt to circumvent such law. There will also be those who are so outraged by other's choices and tastes they will spout "There oughta be a law..." even when coercion or deception are not at all involved, just their sense of propriety as convoluted as that often is.

It is not the proper province of government or citizen action to protect our sensibilities and keep us from being emotionally offended.

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