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Old 02-05-2019, 11:16 AM   #16
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Knowing such things is why I recently made a Protonmail account, having found out the basic service is free.
But if it's free, how are they making their money? Gmail is free and we all know how they make theirs!
 
Old 02-05-2019, 11:24 AM   #17
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That's not as simple as it sounds. They've made it much harder since I set up my email a few years ago. Under the new rules, you can set up pop3 access but when you try to use it, your password won't be accepted if you are using a non-approved application. They specifically name Thunderbird as non-approved by the way. https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255

To get in nowadays, you must either use 2-factor authentication (if your application supports it) or switch off a specific security option in your Google account, which of course triggers all kinds of apocalyptic warnings that are guaranteed to scare off the average non-technical user.

@pastychomper: I get those warnings too. They don't like you using pop3.
Interesting, am I'm using pop.gmail.com in Thunderbird, as we speak (ruuning in the background), and have had no serious problems.
Google Mail does complain if I try to access it using a VPN, but other than that..... no problem.
BTW, NordVPN provides an app for Firefox and the chrome clones that will allow you to use your browser via their VPN and let the rest of your applications, e.g., Thunderbird, work via your normal connection.
 
Old 02-05-2019, 11:56 AM   #18
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I have no problems either but that may be because I set the client up years ago, when I was using Sylpheed. Of course Sylpheed and Claws are fully compatible so I just used the same setup. When did you set up yours?
 
Old 02-05-2019, 12:42 PM   #19
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I have no problems either but that may be because I set the client up years ago, when I was using Sylpheed. Of course Sylpheed and Claws are fully compatible so I just used the same setup. When did you set up yours?
Well, it has been a while, so I just tried to set up a new gmail account.
You are right, they have changed things. They will not set up the new account unless I give them a phone number and that is NOT going to happen.
Someone mentioned Protonmail. I'll have to take a look.
 
Old 02-05-2019, 02:13 PM   #20
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I am afraid they are all doing that, I lost my hotmail account because they locked it then wanted a phone number no other alternatives available.
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There's no such thing as a free lunch. "Free" email providers make you pay with personal data, which they can then sell to advertisers. They regard people who try to avoid providing that data in the same way that transport companies regard fare dodgers. There are always new ways to prevent it.
 
Old 02-05-2019, 02:56 PM   #22
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https://www.linux.com/learn/gmail-fr...vailable-linux.
 
Old 02-05-2019, 03:05 PM   #23
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Well, it has been a while, so I just tried to set up a new gmail account.
You are right, they have changed things. They will not set up the new account unless I give them a phone number and that is NOT going to happen.
Someone mentioned Protonmail. I'll have to take a look.
I setup a gmail account under an alias government phone which is no longer in service. They won't be tracking me. All of my emails are under aliases anyway. Food for thought... One can also use a prepaid phone. If you really want to go off the grid use I2P-Bote.
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Old 02-05-2019, 05:06 PM   #24
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But if it's free, how are they making their money? Gmail is free and we all know how they make theirs!
Because Protonmail offers some premium features, I forget what, with a paid subscription.
 
Old 02-05-2019, 05:15 PM   #25
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But if it's free, how are they making their money? Gmail is free and we all know how they make theirs!
Free only supports small storage, paid versions offer more storage, business emails are also paid for etc....

PS: apparently newbie and I think alike but they type faster....
 
Old 02-05-2019, 05:18 PM   #26
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I setup a gmail account under an alias government phone which is no longer in service. They won't be tracking me. All of my emails are under aliases anyway. Food for thought... One can also use a prepaid phone. If you really want to go off the grid use I2P-Bote.
Unless you're paying those phones with cash then you're still being tracked, don't let the phone connect to your home or work wifi either... just a tip.
 
Old 02-05-2019, 05:21 PM   #27
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Well, it has been a while, so I just tried to set up a new gmail account.
You are right, they have changed things. They will not set up the new account unless I give them a phone number and that is NOT going to happen.
Someone mentioned Protonmail. I'll have to take a look.
https://www.lifewire.com/best-secure...rvices-4136763
https://www.techjunkie.com/most-secure-email-providers/

This seems promising: https://tutanota.com/

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Old 02-06-2019, 01:13 AM   #28
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Unless you're paying those phones with cash then you're still being tracked, don't let the phone connect to your home or work wifi either... just a tip.
Good tip, I'll utilize it in the future.
 
Old 02-06-2019, 08:12 PM   #29
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Cool

I have been using SeaMonkey, Mozilla's continuation (sporadically it seems) of the original Netscape Communicator combo of web browser, email client, and http composer, in its various iterations over 20 years (started on OS/2, if anyone remembers that victim of MS extortion of IBM). I wanted to keep all those emails in one format on my PC's, not on someone else's servers.

At first, I separately started a gmail account accessed only from Google's servers, then found that I could also access it with SM's POP3 client, and that worked ok for some years. Then Google got picky about it's "insecure" access some years ago as others here have noted, and I flailed around a bit with that. I found that I was able to make it "secure" with SSl/TLS on port 995. Then I found a new quirk a few years later in that it would only let me get a particular email once on whichever of my PC's accessed it first, then it was no longer available for download by any other machine with the POP3 access.

I found though, that the IMAP setup would still be able to access any given email from any number of machines, so that was a "hint". So I took that hint, and set up an Outlook account, and have not had any issues with multiple accesses with multiple POP3 clients, and have migrated most of my "serious" email correspondence (various business/bank accounts, etc) to Outlook.

Yeah, I know MS is not particularly trustworthy, either, but at least they don't have a line of business so focused on datamining my email contents (as I understand it). I am interested, however in further getting out of commercial email providers' clutches, and now that one of my (grown) sons, also in IT as I was till my retirement a couple years ago, has expressed interest in more secure mail, I think we will be exploring together options such as Proton.

I am also interested in Purism's (Librem's maker) open source (including hardware) phone that is due to be released in a few more months, so maybe that hardware/software combo would be the best available solution (for now...) to privatize email, and other communications?
 
  


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