ill disagree, most of teh tiem people writing this from scartch its only to learn about programing, but yea, i must say mplayer is very nice and theres not much of a need for other players, seeing how long it would take to make those players, but chioice is a good thing, now:

[SARCASIM]yes i agree its ncie that MS makes it so you dont even know updates are going, its nice to see that theyll be kind enough as to delet everything i downlaod from kazaa, its ncie to see that they take the time to say " umm buz off you little ***DFGARAERG*AE*AERG*A***! we dont wwanna help you", its conciderate of them to make the choises for me, how sweet of them to keep track of my passwords and mak eit easy for people to find, how nice of them that they take the time needed to make a broken verosn of there internet broswer my only file manager, how sweet of them to send error reports back to there servers every day on avarage and never fix the errors, how deliteful im to know people can fix my computer from anywere in teh world, how pleasent it is to know that they are spying on me, how wodnerful tehy are to buy code, put errors in it, and make me downlaod it, tehy are the best people ever [/SARCASIM]

like hell , KEEP AWAY FROM MY COMPUTER YOU MS "programers" (its in quotes as its questionable weather they actualy use programers to "write" code (thats in quotes cuse there know to make little to non of there code themselfs)) EVER GO NEAR MY COMPUTER AND ITLL BITE YOUR HEAD OFF!!!, (ok, im still working that part) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I could not understand a single line of your post. Please use the check button. Your posts are quite annoying to read (and understand) with so much errors....

For the few things I could understand, your "sarcasm" makes no sense... nobody is deleting anything you download with Kazaa or anything else. The error reports to their database are all taking care of and fixed. Although, many programs crashes due buggy third part applications and/or hacked or cracked programs or even bad drivers, once again, provided by a third part company. It's like downloading a game, use a key generator and them ask for support from the company. Or saying that Linux sucks because kopete crashed. That has nothing to do with Linux, nor has Kazaa(or any other crashing program) to do with Windows. You could say Windows and Internet Explorer are buggy. Nothing beats Naulilus, which is by far, the worse of them all...

WinNT/2k/XP are solid. Linux is a nice second place OS and being in a second position is quite noble. PS2 is in second, Linux in second. It's nothing to be ashamed of. And yes, mplayer is a great player. Just DVD playback does not follow standards and the gui is stinky. And 380 different text editors is an useless redundancy of programs. If it's only for purpose learning, they should not release it officially....

sry im trying to speel better, but the spell check wont work, it jsut makes my winxp computer pause a bit then everyhitng is just like it was, ANOYING, and if you ever heard of TC, wich MS realy relay realy is suporting,, it would have its windows media player delet all videos that you dont have a liesense for (and from what i understand that means if its not registered with MS its deleted, so i download a video clip from a friend and what would happen when i want to play it? deletion, as for winXP and anything win being solid?, i moved to linux becasue i knew anything had to be bettter (as far i as i knew, linux was for super computers, not old laptops,) id like to see winXP run on my laptop (pentium pro mmx 233mhz 64mb of ram 6gb of hard drive), in linux, i can start up my computer as fast (actualy i think its faster ) then in a winXP computer runing on a p3, with 3**mb of ram (256+128 i feeling lazy ), at 800mhz , sure, linux might be a second place OS, but you cant deniy that with a little work its better or as good as any number 1 OS out there (concidering hardware limitations),

as for the usless redundancy, its a good thing, i kow all i wanted was a simple editor, and i found one, if you want a full featured editor you ahve one, and if you want a specialized editor you have them (sed, less (ok not a editor, but its put to good use in combos with these), ed (eh it was needed by some program old but looks promising i think, cat, echo and pipes from other programs are about it, ), it might be usless redundancy i agree, but each one has a special purpose, wich is why they still exist in the first place

as for mplayer GUI, from waht i know, mplayer doesnt have one (somone corect me if im worng), but skins are needed before mplayer can be used on the X11 windows (i think it can be used tho from comand line and movies can still be played without skins tho right?,. i havent had enought time to test out mplayer as i deleted xfree86 to install xserver wich im try to figure out how to run right )

Strange that the spell check does not work for you. I'm also on Windows XP right now, but I'm using Firefox which is great. Internet Explorer is stinky.

As far as comparing Windows and older computers, that's not a valid comparison. I have myself a Pentium 166 laptop with 32 of RAM. You can put off the table Redhat and Mandrake for that computer. Slackware 9.0 (i386 optmized) runs great on it, and so does Windows 98, which is also i486 optimized. So that comparison that Windows XP won't run on your laptop is vague, since Gentoo or Sorcerer would run like crap as well. Pick up the right OS for the right computer...

About deleting the movies, which I hardly believe will ever gonna happen(mp3's are still a bigger problem, and you don't see that much of action). I'm all pro Microsoft in that one. Piracy is crime. If you don't own the music, the movie, the program or the game don't use it. If you rip them yourself for personal use it's ok, since the costumer has the right to have a backup. Microsoft is very good acting against piracy, just take a look at the great Xbox: If you place a mod chip on it and try to go online, Dashboard will detect the chip and your Xbox will be life-banned from Internet play...

I'd say go MS!, catch those free loaders. I've paid, why would they not pay... it's cause of those free loaders that CD's, games and movies are getting more and more expensive.

About privacy...well, if you have personal, private and important things on your PC (which by the way, these sort of things should not be put on a PC) you cannot use to go to the Internet. A simple hack and all your "important and private" stuff is gone. Anyway, most likely peoples have nothing important on their PC's, most likely illegal mp3's and porn...

ok man, have fun being spyed on easyer, personaly i like my space as well as the right to have whatever i want on my computer ( im not saying piracy is good, but if you start spying on eceryone and deleting anything that could be pirated, it just becomes an issue as its anoying, when MS does provide a all TC OS, i do hope that they make it so it doesent delet personal files or files given to you by anyone, as that would not be a good thing, no matter how much it stops piracy)

cmon, you don't seriously expect anyone to believe you have paid for every single peace of windows-based software you own.

As for linux text editors... I use vim, it's shell-based and has a code-coloring solution for every single file (even my own formats, like option files), works on windows and linux and rules. Try it if you programm. The only problem is it takes quite a time to get used to it's commands. there's no need for other ones.

I like windows, because they are easy to use. But when it comes to firewalls, i choose third-party, REMOVE all windows services from the allow list and pray windows doesn't have a back door.

Windows firewall sucks, if you ask me. It's a good thing to turn it on as a backup, but it doesn't have any program controll, no port spoofing, no ip spoofing, no content-blocking (i had to implement that by hand using the HOSTS file), in short: it sucks.

my 2 cents

EDIT:
About piracy... It's not a good thing, but you have to ask yourself... Would MS (windows) or Adobe (photoshop) really be the best in their business if it wasn't for piracy? Rare people would be able to afford their products. (windows is mostly OEM and as for photoshop... It's really too expensive) But because of piracy, they are the most widely used programs for their job.
Think about that!

My favourite bit was: why do virus writers target Windows? Because they want the glory, of course! Gotta admire the spin. Alastair Campbell [americans, think: the british Ari Fleischer] would be proud.

As far as I remember, I'm not using any program illegally. Some as winzip are shareware, so I would not pay for it. Programs as The Gimp and Vim runs on Windows too. I've even gkrellm running here. My CD burner came with a program to burn CD's. To create programs I use either borland command line tools or Java, which are also free.

I'm not against free software or open source, nor Linux. I think it's a way to go. So far it's just too messy though. Too many desktops, to many api's, way to many text editors, way too many package managers.

Just take a look at the programs made for Linux which does not have many alternatives. Let's say gcc. Gcc compiler is by far my favorite program on Linux. When there's only one (or a few) alternatives, that one can be improved instead of working grounds up. That's how open source should work. Improving, not releasing a half-working program. Now take a look at Linux desktops.. they are too many of them, some coded in C, some in C++, some support KDE, some does not. Somes uses GTK, some use QT, some use god knows what... That's bad, very bad. It makes difficult to make pre-compile packages, makes difficult to fix bugs, makes difficult to develop interfaces. It also confuses the new user (do to not say scare them).

Also, looking into a more accurate way, end users should not have much of choice either. They screw everything up if they do. Look at the Americans, they had a chance to choose the president and they put a monkey in there...

LOL, like i said in other posts, the americain government is not much difrent from a comunist one, trust me, and that how they try and educate the kids, so thats what tehy think "ah america, land of the free, home of the brave, ....", name one brave person from america!, seriously, american defintion of bravery : "anyone who lifts a fingure", as for land of the free, dont get me started with how unfree it is! let alone unfair! cant wait till i can move out, europe seems much better, or mybe antartica (eh mybe i f WW3 breaks out, i dont know anyone from antartica )

edit: i 4got:

about that too many choices, its a good thing, a hacker/virus/worm then cant assume that any 2 systems will be alike, thus protecting the person, but it is a bit anoying how theres like 100 programs , each can do the same thing, but each has a feature that no other one has, while there still being a need to have all the features in 1 program, but for the most part there big programs that can handel most stuff, and small utils (like converson from one format to another) for comandline

its both a good thing and yet anoying sometimes

Since we are off topic. American peoples are quite friendly. I had an American girlfriend once. They are just too manipulated by a corrupted government. I totally agree with your comparison with Communism. Same goes to Fascism and Nazism. They are all the same in some sort of way, with different names.

[sarcasm]Well, to name a few brave Americans: John Rambo, John McClaine, Superman, the amazing Spider-man, Batman. And the greatest of them all, Captain America[/sarcasm]

That's why he's rich and i'm not.

Yes, and so does the PS2, Gamecube, and anyother console system outhere (I have them all) choice is good.

Still works for me!

I gree 100%, That's why I don't use Windows (at home) anymore.

That's how you choose the right one for YOU, then uninstall the ones you don't like.

Are you changing your mind now? on post #15 of this thread you say
"Do not hate Windows because the users are stupid and double click on everything."

http://www.google.com/search?q=bush+election+fraud
http://www.google.com/search?q=florida+election+fraud

I did not quite catch it... I'm not changing my mind. What I mean is whatever OS the end user uses, without they knowing what they are doing they will screw up the machine. Users open viruses and screw Windows and they say it's Windows which is bad...

You own the three consoles? That's good for you. But many peoples cannot afford it. So to play my favorite games(Megaman, Zelda, Street Fighter, Sonic), I have to invest more money into consoles then on the games itself. If there was only one console, that would not be a problem. That's why I hope Microsoft will monopolize the console market. Since Nintendo 8 bits I had to purchase multiples consoles to play the best games. So way to go Microsoft . Monopolize it all.

Choice is good sometimes... but Linux has not only choices, but also redundancy. Don't tell me that we have 380 different types of text editors. What we have is 380 custom versions of an already existent editor with personal customizations made by a programmer, like Joe...

About Bush, I don't give a dime to him or American problems. They have their own dirty clothes so they have to clean at their place. How Bush came into there I don't care... it's not my problem. The fact is that many says that Bush rules, when he is another Hitler...

Still on topic, why Linux users has to hate Windows? Can't they simply accept it and coexist with it in peace? Windows is great and so is Linux, but made for different purposes...

I agree.

If the spell check button doesn't work, and you want to try and communicate with other English speaking humans in written form, you should take a little extra time to at least reread your posts before submitting. This is generally for everybody, even me, not just SciYro. I'm a good speller, but a bad tpyist.

Also, here's a weird idea for you. Get a dictionary.


Note: This is just about communication. It has nothing to do with the technical abilities of anybody involved.

Regards...

edit: I see that SciYro is only 16. I recall when I was 16, which was about 34 years ago, I could spell and read just about anything. Of course, having comprehension was a different story.

I agree. But i think that the hatred emanates from the thing called loss of data.

How many times
must a man loose his work
for windows bluescreens and alike
how many times must a program crash
before it can rest in deletion.

chorus:
The answer, my friend,
is blowing in the wind...
The answer is blowing in the wind...

"you see it in how quickly they fix certain types of flaws, you see it in having many different window managers that are inside the system"

well, aside from the fact that they're not really "inside the system," i have to ask: having lots of window managers to choose from is a bad thing? the point is, MS wants to limit choice -- they want everything to be the same for everyone b/c that makes it easier for M$ to write products and manage your system for you. it's not really about making it easier for the *user,* it's about making it easier for M$.

the same idea is reflected in his broadband/firewall comments: "we're going to work with broadband providers to do scans to make sure everybody has their system set up the right way." the right way, lol. the underlying idea is that there is *one* right way, and everyone has to have it exactly the same way. how absurd. but again, that would sure make it easier for M$.

the other thing i don't like about the M$ model is how they have this weird compulsion to complicate everything under the guise of making it simpler. the earlier windows were much simpler to use -- you had a file on your hard drive, you knew exactly where it was (or you could use the find function), and you could open your file manager and go there and get the file. if anyone has used XP they know that things have been getting progressively more difficult in that respect, with "my computer" and "my this folder" and "my that folder" etc, all of which can exist in multiple places and which just really makes navigating your hard disk and your files more confusing. now it seems M$ wants to make that even worse with longhorn and this "search folder" idea:

"You can see it at work in search folders, where instead of having to drop things into individual folders, and things exist only in one folder, you create these search folders and you have the criteria for the search folder. So if I have a folder "mail from Michael" and mail that's high priority, the same piece of mail can exist in both of those. When new mail comes in it shows up there according to that criteria. So search folders are a step toward Longhorn."

so now the file appears to exist in multiple places -- or really, in M$ methodology, appears to exist in the place they designate for the user it should exist, while remaining more or less "invisible" where it actually does exist.

that just seems weird to me. why not just leave it existing where it actually exists, like in Linux (not counting symlinks, which besides really serve a functional purpose), instead of hiding where it actually exists and making it appear to exist somewhere else? i just think it's backwards. my computer does an updatedb once a night, and then it's easy to find just about anything. M$ still can't do that?

"We actually have in the operating system this text indexer; nobody turns it on, because it just sits there and grinds the disk...." lol