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Old 02-24-2004, 09:42 PM   #1
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An interview with bill gates about security, linux, open source.....


That's right, straight from the horse's mouth.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1537410,00.asp
 
Old 02-25-2004, 12:55 AM   #2
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Just go through and compare, say, with Linux, how many defects we have, how quickly we fix those defects, how our system is for getting the updates out for those defects
ok then buster billy, name 1 curent linux defect (even in the 2.4 series, and if ya say that bug that effect most linux distros (the one that had like every one sared and was fixed in 2.6.2), that dont count!, thats a valnerability that requires local acess if i remember right, not a defect), i can name a few MS defects but i wont cuse if i lsit 1 then i might as well list all the ones i know (at least a hundred), and other people will to (thatll make 1000 known ms defects then at least )

to say that windows is more secure then windows is poposturus!, nmap declare linux as one of the highest security ratings to block someone from guessing a # thats inportant (when u got the number it suposed to be easy to make other computers think ur there friend), next in line was mac, then windows (with a extremly low rating)

also, more people are gonna be tearing him apart after that interview then ever b4, i mean, did he imply that linux costs money?,
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And it's a real shame that people have to read about what a firewall is. It's a nightmare. We and their broadband providers should say "Hey, here's how you set this thing up, and you will be fine. Don't let people get you all scared or thinking you have to buy a bunch of expensive stuff."
if he dident then i should mention that linux can make it so you dont need "expensive" stuff $1000 and u can get a top-of-the-line PC, witha firewall/router (a seprate simple no grafic card/sound card pc probly $100-200 max)

both quotes wer from the mac and linux section on the first page, hell iv only read the first page so far, so back to reading
 
Old 02-25-2004, 01:06 AM   #3
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Just go through and compare, say, with Linux, how many defects we have, how quickly we fix those defects, how our system is for getting the updates out for those defects
LMAO......here is a defect that M$ still has not fixed in 4+ years-------Outlook Express still automagically emails subjective code (Virii, Worms) to everyone in the address book without the users knowledge or permission........
Gates your an Idiot.....geeze

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Old 02-25-2004, 05:01 AM   #4
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Meanwhile, I came across an interview with MartiN Taylor (the guy behind the development in MS) here's his insight on opensource solution:
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Just because you have more people looking at the code does not guarantee a
level of quality, because those people might not be the most-qualified people to do code review. I'm not [making] a disparaging comment on the open-source community. I'm just simply saying that more in number does not mean it's more in quality. Let's just say that. That said, it's something that we continue to look at
to see at what level and how do we open it up and share. And at the end of the day, there are only about 14 to 25 guys that actually check code into the Linux kernel. Just because you have a bunch folks out in the community that have the access to look at open-source product means that, by default, it will be more secure or higher quality.
(Well obvious misquote but well into the bull's-eye - Linux kernel is a higher quality product than bloatware distributed in Redmond)
The article is located at http://www.crn.com/48159.html - the news site was slashdot'd, so don't be surprise if you see
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An error occurred on the server when processing the URL. Please contact the system administrator.
. http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.crn.com
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Reading the article on PCMag site -
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And we compete: When somebody moves off expensive Unix, we have Unix emulation in Windows where we can run the shell scripts and the programs and we show people why, in terms of ease of administration and rich features, they should migrate to Windows.
- It is not about you creating a Unix Shell in Windows, geeee - cygwin was around for quite awhile, it is about taking up your MS Office CD, loading it in Wine and realize how much you behind - go with your iLoo design http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-999509.html#

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Old 02-25-2004, 11:57 AM   #5
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Mr. Ed speaks much more eloquently. Please don't insult horses by comparing them to Mr. Gates.

http://www.moviestar-photos.com/graphics/172/172262.jpg
 
Old 02-25-2004, 02:51 PM   #6
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A lot of wind, and not much weather.

"we're going to work with broadband providers to do scans to make sure everybody has their system set up the right way"
And this is a good thing? "oh...by the way...by installing our software, you'll be allowing us access to your personal files. It's for your own security."
 
Old 02-25-2004, 04:49 PM   #7
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lol, after reading that stuff i cant beleive anyone who has heard about or seen a screenshot from linux would still want windows? (actualy, thats y i moved to linux, cuse it looked just like windows , now i have it set up so it looks like those 50 year old computers (still havent got xserver to work good enough to use) ), (back from ranting) i mean, they pretty much confess all tehy way down the interview that windwos will spy on you, delet your files, and pretty much do anyhting it wants, but they do a good job of not telling to much info on linux, i wonder y?
 
Old 02-26-2004, 04:41 PM   #8
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well, i hand one thing to ol' billy... He did write Basic and made programming a pleasurable thing ( i mean that basic was one of the languages in the late 70ies that brought comp industry to a start ), but he was never the fair player.

Even DOS was not his idea. It was written by his college colleague, and it meant Dirty Operating Sys. So he just opened M$ and sold it as MSDOS.

Now he is only looking at the profit from users that are lazy enough not to learn Linux.

The things he said cannot be explained otherwise than a desperate attempt of regaining a crumbling imperium he has built and has been effectively crumbled by user friendly distros (more are coming, i'm sure) like redhat and mandrake with default init 5 and preinstalled X with KDE or GNOME. Nowadays, an office user working on KDE in Openoffice.org does not even think about him not being in the familiar windows environment.

That's about my say.

PS: Pardon my spelling, i'm not a native speaker.
 
Old 02-28-2004, 10:58 PM   #9
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Gates didn't write basic, but he did code the os for the very first desktop computer, the altair IN basic. He was the first to code it for the Intel 8008 chip (i think), therefore making a computer in desktop size possible.

From there on it was tottally downhill.. stealing ideas right and left... the Windows idea was taken from a Xerox project. This is where steve jobs got the idea for the apple as well.
 
Old 02-28-2004, 11:30 PM   #10
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Originally posted by 320mb
LMAO......here is a defect that M$ still has not fixed in 4+ years-------Outlook Express still automagically emails subjective code (Virii, Worms) to everyone in the address book without the users knowledge or permission........
Gates your an Idiot.....geeze
It's ridiculous, and he doesn't know squat about his own OS I'm sure, the worlds richest old script kiddie
 
Old 02-29-2004, 12:03 AM   #11
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The Scelbi 8H PC was based on the Intel 8008 chip too and they were being sold as early as March 1974, almost a full year before the Altair. Neither one was really a "PC", like the TRS-80 Model I (Zilog 80) and Apple II (Motorola 6502) introduced in 1977 were, IMHO. Oh, BTW, these are the guys who really invented BASIC: http://www.truebasic.com/

edited to add: I forgot the Commodore PET Anyway, I still say the TRS-80 was the first "true" PC, but I suppose that's debatable. In any case, I'm sure it wasn't the Altair, despite what the schoolbooks say.

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Old 02-29-2004, 12:04 AM   #12
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Originally posted by randon
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,1537410,00.asp
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There's a level of antivirus software that is valuable to run, so that's part of the picture. But we need to make that way simpler. In fact, it's just a mess for people today.
Microsoft Anti-Virus, anyone?
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It's too bad that we have to even say, "Are you ready to install these things?" It should be just right away or when you next turn the machine back on that those things go into place. So making this stuff just automatic, that's the whole theme. And should we have done that sooner?
Don't you just hate it when programs ask for permission to install?
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"When people want to write privacy laws, it would be ideal if we could explain where some things actually get rid of reasonable capabilities versus just being purely protective."
Trust Microsoft to tell government how to write privacy laws?
 
Old 02-29-2004, 12:20 AM   #13
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The Scelbi 8H PC was based on the Intel 8008 chip too and they were being sold as early as March 1974, almost a full year before the Altair. Neither one was really a "PC", like the TRS-80 Model I (Zilog 80) and Apple II (Motorola 6502) introduced in 1977 were, IMHO. Oh, BTW, these are the guys who really invented BASIC: http://www.truebasic.com/

edited to add: I forgot the Commodore PET Anyway, I still say the TRS-80 was the first "true" PC, but I suppose that's debatable. In any case, I'm sure it wasn't the Altair, despite what the schoolbooks say.
This is so interesting! I looked at the BASIC page, neat, but what would people want it for? Is that kinda like Applescript in Mac? Just to run stuff automatically?
 
Old 02-29-2004, 12:43 AM   #14
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As much as people like to bash BASIC today, it was instrumental in the PC's early success, as well as Bill Gates'.
 
Old 02-29-2004, 02:45 AM   #15
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What can I say? Bill Gates is a genius. You can see by that Interview how much they really care about they customers and that they are really trying to do the best they can. They do realize that the patches are big and that should not be up to the end user to update or even care about viruses. It's obvious that Windows has more virus attack then any other OS, simply because it's easy to install programs (and viruses) with a "double click" and everybody is using it today (Over 95% of the computers maybe?).

The problem with Viruses is relative. Most likely it's the end user's fault, who does not check the programs and double click on every junk peoples send them as attachment. Not a Microsoft's fault, but even so, they care enough to find a solution for the end user.

Windows XP firewall is great, you don't need any third part product to run it, nor route. I never used an anti-virus myself, there's no need for it unless you are running a bunch of cracks to hack games and programs (which you should not do anyway).

Also, Windows Update is great and smooth, to do not say that it's way more useful then Linuxes. Some Linux distributions provides a similar update, but all they do is to update to newer packages, as gaim 0.68 to 0.69. By the way, there's a new gaim every week and a new custom KDE for Mandrake every 15 days. All those updates are irrelevant. The real security ones, as the kernel has to be done from scratch, downloading and compiling a new kernel is not an easy task to most of end user. (and them again, every week there's a message similar to "Found a hole on Kernel 2.xxx, upgrade to 2.xxx1) Jess, that's just lame. Most likely the "normal" skilled user will end up with an unbootable system.

I'd say, do not hate Microsoft because they have money. Do not hate Bill Gates because he founded Microsoft. Do not hate Windows because the users are stupid and double click on everything. Do not hate the entire system because one program, as Outlook Express, is bad. Microsoft is a great company that cares about the money peoples has invested and do all the "dirty" things for the users to do not need to get their hands dirty. Also they pay taxes, they generate jobs and from time to time you see them donating money to help children and others. I'd say, support Microsoft: Get a MS Windows, get an MS Office, get a Sidewinder/stick/pad and an Xbox. You will be delighted with their great support and quality products, plus you know that the money will be back to the community helping them in some sort of way...

Most of their products are so great that no other open source product could catch: DirectX API, Visual Studio IDE and MS Office are fine examples. So the statment of more peoples looking at the open source won't help that much is true. Come on, we have over 380 different text editors for Linux and only one half-descent media player which plays DVD's very oddly. Looks like the community instead of improving what have been done, prefers to write a new desktop, or messenger, or text editor from scratch and think "Screw that lame code, I can do better". That's all against the Open Source phylosophy from my humble point of view...

Does anybody agree? By the way, Microsoft and Xbox rules .

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