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Old 07-07-2017, 03:04 AM   #1
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Aliens Anyone have an idea other than me how to use indirect ways of finding them?


I used Unix at the beginning of time but then lost it until a few years ago when I discovered Solydx, Raspberry pi and went boating.

Seti has magnificently failed to find the Aliens. Their attempts to find indirect indications that they are there seem to consist of esoteric assumptions of carbon based life forms changing the radiation spectrum. I paraphrase here.

Physics suggests that even non carbon based life forms would eventually discover alternating current and turn on the lights. I then found that any photon emitted several light years away must now be several kilometres away from its once neighbour. This raises the question of what is a photon anyway and the discussion tends to be short and complicated and get lost in maths. Maths is probably the only truth that I have found so far but lost in a time before Unix.

The idea was to use an wide base array of scanners (Raspberrypi) and correlate the output to look for the circa 50Hz hum.

The installation would be preferably in the reverse side of the moon (my favourite place to be) to avoid local atmospheric effects.

Anyone now reading this far may point out that LED's probably do not hum and the need to see where you are going is minimal when real life only exists in the network.

I am going boating again when I return perhaps we can find a way to circumvent my providers private address or get port forwarding working and I can get X-Plane 11 flying online.
 
Old 07-07-2017, 07:05 AM   #2
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Aliens were just here the other day. All they wanted to drink was Midori Mellonballs, a green drink.
 
Old 07-07-2017, 07:33 PM   #3
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Back in the 1960s, i used to catch Cleveland's KYW on the skip (KYW is now in Philadelphia). They had a talk show* in the evenings marvelously hosted by Harv Morgan.

Every Tuesday night, he had a "ufologist" on. As a teenaged boy whose favorite author at the time was Isaac Asimov, I found it fascinating

I have since come to a realization: If there are aliens (and I'm sure there are, just not walking among us) and if they got to know human beings and our history and proclivities, they would either avoid Earth like the plague or destroy it immediately.

Human kind is too toxic.

Just my two cents.

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Old 07-08-2017, 02:06 PM   #4
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Listen people. The issue here with Aliens is same like with God and even Evolution - we assume details relating that to our point of view but that is just ignorant. They can easily use different technology, they can easily think differently from us. And if they actually did help in human creation they could easily prevent us from knowing them. As previous poster said - they could be among us and we would not suspect anything. That it actually more believable than we can not find them..if you like you can read more here in alien topic. The keyword in such discussions is - assume. We should really try to stop thinking that our subjective opinion about such debates is objective reality. That is not how finding real truth pathway look like. We need to be open to other possibilities aswell.

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Old 07-08-2017, 08:05 PM   #5
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Indirect methods are probably the proper way to get certain things done.

The trick is to put all important problems in your peripheral vision, and then focus on something else entirely, like TV. Think of it this way: if you you find out The Answer, then TV looks good; else, you watched TV, and TV still looks good. Of course, it doesn't have to be "TV", but anything the general public might look down on you for taking part in, like caring about your fellow man, reading a book, or programming in Lisp.
 
Old 07-08-2017, 11:05 PM   #6
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Old 07-10-2017, 05:30 AM   #7
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Should we really be sending messages or "searching"?
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hawking
"We don't know much about aliens, but we know about humans. If you look at history, contact between humans and less intelligent organisms have often been disastrous from their point of view, and encounters between civilizations with advanced versus primitive technologies have gone badly for the less advanced. A civilization reading one of our messages could be billions of years ahead of us. If so, they will be vastly more powerful, and may not see us as any more valuable than we see bacteria."
And that holds true for the Caribs, Aztecs, Incas, etc, but also the Mammoths, Buffalo, etc, etc... but on the positive side, we could end up with sheep/cattle like status.

For me, the counter theories, such as the aliens being enlightened enough to value life, as they've managed to develop interstellar travel, etc seem rather fanciful. We know about life forms on this planet and how animal life evolved by exploiting and preying on others and by consuming the resources around them.

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Old 07-10-2017, 09:10 AM   #8
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I always rather felt that SETI was just a scam to scoop some Federal money into someone's pockets, because of the obviously vast distances involved. A "radio transmitter" on the planet of any distant star could not produce a radio signal powerful enough to detect from light-years away, unless said aliens are possessed of technologies we cannot dream of.
 
Old 07-10-2017, 05:38 PM   #9
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I always rather felt that SETI was just a scam to scoop some Federal money into someone's pockets, because of the obviously vast distances involved. A "radio transmitter" on the planet of any distant star could not produce a radio signal powerful enough to detect from light-years away, unless said aliens are possessed of technologies we cannot dream of.
That's just not accurate. Even our initial radio waves are still advancing and will essentially forever, though it is true as "the bubble" expands the signal becomes weaker and harder to detect. The first television broadcasts have traveled roughly 100 light years but they were not designed with that in mind so they were not focused into a beam.In 2003 Pioneer 10 sent and we received what may be it's last transmission that we can receive and it's from 7.6 billion miles out. The power source has decayed from it's launch level of a mere 8 watts and may be currently less than 1 watt. Obviously a signal 1000 or 1,000,000 times as strong is detectable from a proportionately larger distance and such transmitters (up to 2,000,000 watts) have been built here on Earth.

Also, SETI is privately funded by donations, not your tax dollars.
 
Old 07-10-2017, 06:32 PM   #10
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Also, SETI is privately funded by donations, not your tax dollars.
NASA, National Science Foundation,DOE and the USGS do sponsor SETI projects.

http://www.seti.org/about-us
 
Old 07-10-2017, 08:54 PM   #11
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I don't get why aliens would use 50hz. I'd know that Japan and a few other countries use 50hz.

I don't get why aliens, that could travel billions of miles with ease, would stop here. (currently seems unlikely that they could)

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Old 07-10-2017, 09:07 PM   #12
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Me either, I think they hang out in the Delta quadrant...
 
Old 07-11-2017, 01:19 AM   #13
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Listening is interesting. However, anything we hear has likely been dead a very very long time even if we do hear something. End payoff. Curiosity I guess. Like cats looking at the moon.

We should probly' really focus on survival, freedom, justice, or something tangible although there is something to the tactic of keeping scientists busy on that so they don't mess something else up.

Sure be a cool show if they do ever hear something havta admit, but its a time issue as well as a space issue. The right place 2 hours late and you'll get nothing and how long can a planet support intelligent life? I've gotta think that even if you aimed it at the right planet. your odds of hitting the right time would still be infinitesimal. You havta keep in mind we could destroy the planet within 80 years of having radio waves all about. It may not be a very big window. We already got lucky once with the Cuban thing.

And its quite possible theres weapons that could make nukes look small. What if they turned out to be cheap and easily produced? There could yet be a great cosmic joke there. There is a question of why nobody is/was out there when/where we look. It appears the intelligent life window maybe small. Disconcerting.

More disconcerting is the new space war or "race to Mars". Its not about rockets this time. So what? I worry the Mars competition is all about the technology of totally self-sufficient biospheres. Its still a holy grail with a long list of worldwide failures and a major push like the Mars missions are plobly' the only way they'd ever get the financing to finally really have any shot at it. Our curiosity in Aliens help fund this and it is encouraged.

This brings you to wonder why world leaders suddenly and quickly need biospheres so badly. How bad is the environment really?

Theoretically, they'd be real handy for those with access right here on earth should we literally have to pay for air or live entirely indoors. Within 100 years if Stephen Hawkings guess is right.

So that gives about a 100-200 year run from radio to finish if the rich can't emulate a complex ecosystem in an enclosed environment and keep it managed perfectly at all times. Joke will be on them if it just can't be done. Never been done yet.

Too bad dinosaurs don't radio. We'd get way better odds. Literally millions of times better. Probly all kinds of dumb s*. Cockroach detector?

I'd suggest trying to find a way to sense dumb animals with light. Methane?

If they do come, lets hope for cyborg catgirls. They can stay at my place.
 
Old 07-11-2017, 08:16 AM   #14
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That spacecraft's antenna was pointed directly at us, and, amid vast amounts of solar-generated RF noise, we knew exactly what to listen for. Furthermore, the antenna was within our solar system. So far as we know, the extraterrestrial forms of life that we are looking for are surrounding distant stars, possibly in other galaxies. The only transmissions that we are capable of receiving from that distance come from floating thermonuclear furnaces.

So, SETI was a nice idea and a favorite of Dr. Carl Sagan (RIP), but never practical. If it kept up funding for expensive radio telescopes, that's not altogether a bad thing.
 
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A planet (like a seed) starts out a rock. Then perhaps a desert and an ocean? Solar systems the same, ours is but that desert and an ocean—yet...

Aliens are not as fun drugs as "creators"( ie fairy tails) or better yet life*\death!
 
  


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