I do know what you are saying.

While one could ask, "Why must I eat? Why must I sleep?" these are actually the answers and not the problem. Likewise one may ask, "Why must I make choices on my computer?" Again these are more answers than problems.

Do you know what I am saying?

In real life however I don't need to ask myself if it is okay. PC's do it for security. If I want to eat a Pizza or an apple, I just pick one because I'm hungry. Here in PCs it's yes or no if I want to continue... hell if I'm being asked that question it better be for something important.

I don't know, I think we're both confusing each other :P

All I know is that I don't like to click on buttons to be granted administrative privileges. I just like to turn on my computer and do whatever I want on it. Just like with eating, I like to go in my kitchen and eat whatever I want.

Wow, you really don't have a clue do you? You really, truly are part of the problem.

Funny. That's the exact reason I started using Slackware. I couldn't take Windows' "Are you sure?" type messages anymore.

"Are you sure you want to empty the Recycle Bin?"
"Are you sure you want to send this file to the Recycle Bin?"
"Are you sure you want to delete this file?"
"Are you sure you want to view the contents of this folder?"

No. I couldn't possibly be.

Vista's UIC "feature" is a mere extension of something which was already painful, IMO.

ubuntu handle that better ...

means ... if you cant do anything ... just issue that bloody sudo nautilus ... ^_^



//very "confusing" like can teach me something ...




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That one as has actually saved my ass a couple times.

Haven't seen that one
Can be turn off by right clicking the recycle bin
You click that and it never comes back again.

I'm talking about that security BS on vista. And just about everything I try to change in the control panel in linux asks me for the root password... can't it just remember it?

Can someone fill me in with what your problem is with me using XP? Just because I like XP doesn't mean I need you to shove this linux kicks windows' ass BS in my face. Look, I game, I don't hack around in the console, I like using expensive software that has support for hardware and can listen to MP3's with, so leave me the F alone.

If that is your attitude, why are you in this thread? The OP was asking a specific question about whether any Suse users had tried PCLos, and what they thought of it. This implies that they want to stick with Linux, but for are looking for an alternative.

There are some very good reasons why the serious Linux user hates MS, but this is not the place to go into them.

Back to the original story.

I have recently had success with Suse 10.3 on a couple of Dell Optiplex GX260's donated by a local institutional user. Ubuntu 7.10 wouldn't recognize the integrated Intel 845 graphics but the Suse 10.3 Live CD worked straight off, with the correct display resolution and the network, and with no tweaking. Since they are going to be uses in the office of a charity they will get some real testing by complete computer "illiterates". :)

I want to stick with Suse for this project because that's what I use so it's easier for me to provide support. However I did like PCLos when I tried it, so I am going do download a couple of the Community Remasters of 2007 and try them on some older hardware. I will also try the Live CD of the 2007 Final version on the Dells and see how they go.

The main criteria for my computer recycling project are:

1. Does it work with a live CD
2. If not how much effort does it take to get it working
3. Will I need to have a new distro on one of my home computers to be able to support it

When I get some results with PCLos I'll post them here, and when I get some time in the New Year, I'll post the results of some of the testing I've been doing.

.... ??? where???
There are no problems with your choice to use XP. Attempting to justify that choice with lies and inaccuracies is another issue entirely.

EDIT: To answer the OP: I have deleted files in a similar situation by booting the machine with a Knoppix Live CD and mounting the HD with read & write permissions.

I just noticed, but all the original poster's problems seemed to be with deleting these files using Symantec Antivirus. Have you actually tired deleting these files from Windows Explorer?

KDE has one, SuSE has YAST too. Certain sections of them would require to type your root password and also just to open them.

Going back a few posts, and for clarification ...

"Recycler" is the default name of the OS recycle bin.
It can be difficult to manually delete a file that resides within the Recycle Bin, as the Recycle Bin is a system-protected folder.
Because of the behavior of the Recycle Bin, and the difficulty to manually remove files from within, along with the hidden nature of the folder, many malware programs place themselves within. AV programs can usually see them, but will run into roadblocks in properly deleting them.

The single best solution I've found is to boot from your OS CD (XP/2000), obtain a DOS prompt, and manually delete the contents of the Recycler folder. This generally deletes all the extra CLSID files and folders the malware hides in.

The basic problem is that you cannot be sure that you are in control of your computer, unless you take positive action to ensure that you ARE in control of your 'puter.

In an era of malware that will get installed and be running without your knowledge and with no positive or deliberate action on your part to make it happen, the control you exercise over the machine must be a negative control, such that programs are forbidden from running unless explicitly permitted to run.

Running as a restricted user implements this mechanism explicitly. Programs that don't have permission can't run. Being required to enter a password to permit a program to run that otherwise would NOT have permission to run ensures that you are in fact in control of your computer; you are telling the computer that, yes indeed, this program should be permitted to run.

If you are not employing this mechanism or some other mechanism that is equally effective, then you flatly cannot say the YOU are the one in control of your computer. Period.

I agree.

So why the fight? I like the idea of people with secure computers.

that passage stir me up ... ^_^



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I don't wanna say anything 'cause I'll have everyone flame the shit out of me again.

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