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Old 11-02-2017, 05:53 PM   #31
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Pigeon is actually pooping ok, has lots of ureates the white color, so it doesn't have the virus, checked this out a few times.
Took it out of the tub, was a lot more active and walked around a lot, wanted to perch on bed for a while. My parrots were amused in watching him walk around. Kept it on my shoulder, it tried to fly away but then banged on wall soon and fell down on cage, luckily no injuries. If it went any higher, it could have hit a light bulb. He is not interested in contact with me, is still afraid and tries to avoid me. So better not to force this or develop a bond, this will help in his release. After some time, he started walking in straight line more. He is quite active, eating, drinking well. The round and round walking is a concern, hopefully that will change with time. From the way he walks and looks around, it is evident that he is looking return to nature. Excellent progress for now. Will monitor further.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 05:32 AM   #32
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Walking in circles and flying into the wall could be a sign of brain damage, which I think is less of a problem in birds than in mammals because bird brains are better at self-repair. At least, chickens are reported to be able to to fully recover from some quite nasty CNS damage, and I think it applies to other birds too. Time will tell, no doubt.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 07:48 AM   #33
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Walking in circles and flying into the wall could be a sign of brain damage, which I think is less of a problem in birds than in mammals because bird brains are better at self-repair. At least, chickens are reported to be able to to fully recover from some quite nasty CNS damage, and I think it applies to other birds too. Time will tell, no doubt.
Thank you for your post. I decided to take a chance and give this pigeon more free time outside of the bathtub, allow him to explore. He is walking a lot more in straight lines now. I just have cleanup his poop with a mop and this is quite easy. Hope he sees me, my other parrots and learns from them, this will help him get more comfortable with us all also.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 08:14 AM   #34
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I am familiar with cognitive behavior therapy (CBT) in humans and clicker training in birds. Will combine these to try and help this pigeon. He is walking around more now and happy. I play tag with him sometimes and chase him around a bit for fun, my other parrots are also enjoying this show. Hopefully, this will help him get more comfortable around me. I put him in a far off dark corner in another room for fun and he returned to me by walking, this is quite a development.
 
Old 11-03-2017, 12:23 PM   #35
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Paul is doing a lot better now, he jumped on my bed on his own and stayed beside me for sometime. Later he wanted rides on my head for a while, I had my tucque on. It is interesting how he showed me he wanted to get on my head, I was by the door, showing him outdoors thru glass, he did a flying motion but was content in my palm, I got quite confused and put him on my shoulder, he stayed there for a bit and then on my head, he stayed there with excellent balance, this is very interesting as when I found him, his balance was super poor. He pooped on it but I washed it away with ease. He only jumped down when it was time for me to treat my parrots with spray millet. Filled up Paul's food dish then and placed him back in the bath tub. Hopefully, with time I will get used to it. Only thing missing is him calling out to me now and his flying. I am very unsteady about his flying as this is a small apartment and he will easily bang into things, worse being light bulb. At this rate, he might wish to get out of the tub more often, only downer to this, having him on me and my bed is the need to clean his poop more often.

I also gave him some flax seeds and chia seeds. I don't have grits which they say is vital for pigeon for digestion, however so far I haven't see any whole seeds or undigested food in his poop for that matter, so will leave this factor alone.

Glad to see his progress but this is also energy draining on me.
 
Old 11-04-2017, 12:48 PM   #36
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I don't have grits which they say is vital for pigeon for digestion, however so far I haven't see any whole seeds or undigested food in his poop for that matter, so will leave this factor alone.
i think grit may be necessary for the pigeon (unlike the parrots) if he's getting seeds, which he'll swallow whole:
http://www.peteducation.com/article....+1835&aid=2652

I'm so glad to hear that he's improving. Of course, handling pigeons is aided by their high intelligence making them less likely to panic once they realise that you're not going to eat them!
 
Old 11-04-2017, 01:10 PM   #37
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I don't have grits which they say is vital for pigeon for digestion,
Careful, "grits" (coarsely ground corn cooked by boiling) is not the "grit" (bits of stone or crushed shells) that a bird needs in its crop to grind up food.
 
Old 11-04-2017, 02:51 PM   #38
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Careful, "grits" (coarsely ground corn cooked by boiling) is not the "grit" (bits of stone or crushed shells) that a bird needs in its crop to grind up food.
Yes, so far his stools are clear and consistent. No full seeds or pieces of food, so this is good.
 
Old 11-04-2017, 02:53 PM   #39
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This pigeon is running from different rooms to bathtub on his own now, he is even becoming bossy and territorial in my home with me. Specially with his meal plate. He sat on my lap comfortably for some time earlier today. He wants love and affection, this I can give and seems to be helping him. Once, he gets this comfortable in a domestic environment, releasing him to wild may not be safe if he tries to befriend the wrong crowd outsides. But others have taken in sick pigeons, helped them heal and released them into the wild again. Have to learn from them.

Later pretty much the whole day today, he wanted to spend time in dark in bath tub
with his food plate, was very territorial and defensive. This shows he needs more time alone and still needs to heal. I will take it slow and bring him out just for short time daily for now and see.
 
Old 11-05-2017, 02:46 AM   #40
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http://www.pigeoncontrolresourcecent...eon-facts.html
 
Old 11-05-2017, 09:15 AM   #41
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I think you are making a big mistake by taming it. If you take in an injured feral creature, you should keep it at arm's length as far as possible while treating it so that it doesn't get imprinted on you. Now you won't be able to let it go again.
 
Old 11-05-2017, 11:04 AM   #42
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I was wondering why this pigeon is so territorial when it comes to its meal plate and wishes to rest mostly, stay in dark. Now I see the reasons.
It is territorial as it is afraid of loosing its food, being disturbed out.
The weather here, is really dark here and getting cold , many feel less active here and rest more, it is not sunny and warm here anymore. My parrots are active still but they go to sleep earlier, also less active also. The pigeons that are hungry outside are looking for food in the cold, my pigeon is very well fed so prefers to enjoy his peace. Also as my pigeon is territorial it means he is settled in comfortable and happy also again, he enjoys his surroundings and peace, he is not acting sick or complaining. So I will bring him out for some exercise a bit daily but otherwise leave him alone till he seeks company/more interaction.
 
Old 11-05-2017, 11:06 AM   #43
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I think you are making a big mistake by taming it. If you take in an injured feral creature, you should keep it at arm's length as far as possible while treating it so that it doesn't get imprinted on you. Now you won't be able to let it go again.
There are some who have done both. They have domestic pigeons that fly freely and return for example. You do have a good point tho. thanks for this.

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What I have read before is that if a domestic pigeons calls out to other feral pigeons and makes a few buddies, then the release is a lot easier. His buddies
will help him get settled outside. However, he must be able to fly for this.
I released one before that was unable to fly but he had injured/healed wing and was well used to life outside.
So have to see how this one progresses, time will tell. I will let him show the signs and lead me. If he wishes to leave and I release him, then less work for me at home, also in future I can help another bird in need if I come across one.
For now it is evident that he appreciates what I offer him, he also maintains his distance with me, this is fine also. I will keep it this way for now.

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Old 11-05-2017, 11:26 AM   #44
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I think you are making a big mistake by taming it. If you take in an injured feral creature, you should keep it at arm's length as far as possible while treating it so that it doesn't get imprinted on you. Now you won't be able to let it go again.
Remember that all feral pigeons (rock doves) in Britain and the Americas are descendants of domestic ones who deserted the dovecotes and set up on their own! Also, imprinting usually occurs with chicks, not adults.
 
Old 11-05-2017, 11:54 AM   #45
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I just took him out for a short walk as his meal plate was empty and filled it. He tends to eat from his meal plate only now and throws his food around a lot, flips the plate over as he perches over it also sometimes.
Sat him on a chair after taking him out and he sat there for a while before moving out a bit.

After the walk, he returned back to the bath tub on his own. He jumped on to the toilet bowl, then the sink and then into the bath tub. I cleared the way for him if he wanted to do this and he did just that. Then I even closed the bath tub half with shower curtain to make him more comfortable. He was unable to move like this when I got him and circled around too much. Now he is doing this a lot less. Appears he was very weak when I found him, he is gaining energy now due to my hospitality, this is excellent. If it was spring, I would me more eager to release him.

On a personal level, if I really wanted a young dove, they sell those in pet shops for very reasonable price. However, this is not my aim. I only wish to help a pigeon/bird in need.
 
  


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