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Old 10-31-2017, 09:58 AM   #16
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I just found a fully grown pigeon outside my apartment complex, it is unable to fly and one foot it is lifting up. It was scared when I approached it. My landlady said it could have gotten injured in foot when folks were walking around and closing doors. I got it indoors about an hour ago in a bag, kept it in bathtub for a while. Then put it in a plastic crate lined with paper cardboard, turned on music on radio, walked around for a while, prepared a meal, fed my pet parrots and slowly pointed my finger at its beak a few times, once it started touching my finger lightly I gently pat it a few times and it seems comfortable. In order to allow it to get adjusted and comfortable, I replaced it back in the bath tub and will check on it once an hour or so. Will slowly check it for injury etc., later and see what needs to be done. It is cold outside and for now this pigeon is appreciating the warmth and music indoors. It is not eating anything else yet. I have placed a small dish with water and few spray millet close to it. Once it gets hungry, needs company or something else usually they will call out. Then I will check. Since it is a feral pigeon, it needs to have its own life, mate etc., So once it is fully healed and shows sign of full recovery, I plan to release it.

Edited to add:
It is alert and active. So no sign of infections. Flaps its wings but unable to fly. So could be injured foot, wing or perhaps even both, will check more slowly later on once it is comfortable. Washing hands with disinfectant as I know they carry germs etc.,

Checked it out actually, no big injuries, no blood, it is able to walk around ok
perhaps just shocked. Time will tell, will observe and see.

Edited to add again (at 12 pm, 2 hours later):

The pigeon is hanging head low and prefers to be in a mostly semi dark environment
close to lightly dripping faucet in bathroom tub. It needs rest and recovery from shock/trauma it appears. So will allow it to continue this way and monitor. The next sign is for it to get hungry and ask for food.

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Old 10-31-2017, 10:23 AM   #17
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You obviously know a thing or two about birds and how to look after them. Unfortunately I don't.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 10:31 AM   #18
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You obviously know a thing or two about birds and how to look after them. Unfortunately I don't.
Yes, I have had parrots for 20 years almost now. Read and learn about birds constantly on and off.
 
Old 10-31-2017, 12:34 PM   #19
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You obviously know a thing or two about birds and how to look after them. Unfortunately I don't.
If you ever come across another bird in need, try to bring it home, keep it
warm, comfortable in a semi dark place. Then contact local SPCA, animal vet clinic, rescue groups etc., Someone or the other may step in to help. At the least they might offer care tips over the phone and/or online.
 
Old 11-01-2017, 06:51 AM   #20
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All the same, I feel different (as all urban people do) about animals that I know personally. I remember being shocked by some farm children I met on holiday who kept a rabbit at the bottom of the garden and fed it every day on kitchen scraps. Above the hutch was a furry skin. I asked what it was and they said, "Oh, that's last year's rabbit!"

What shocked me was not that they killed and ate a rabbit, but that they killed and ate their pet, and weren't upset about doing so. I don't think I could eat an animal that I had raised myself.
I was similarly impressed with my sister's croft-raised children, though their case was slightly less extreme.

I've raised and eaten quite a few species, but there's still a divide in my head between "food" and "pets". I don't think I'd eat a cat or dog, and hope I never have to find out. "Food" animals do get plenty of attention if they want it - pigs especially like to be scratched and played with - and get named things like Rasher and Hamlet. I think the fact they'll die young and get eaten is all the more reason for them to enjoy life, and as long as I can slaughter them quickly I don't have any trouble with it. I don't like killing ducks, because it's hard to kill one without it knowing that something's wrong (their necks are too string to quickly break without some tool, and unlike hens they can wake up quickly even in the dark).

I think both pigeon-rescuers in this thread are doing the right thing, by the way. Even a fully wild bird can benefit from human help now and then.

A while ago I went to see the falconry display at DunRobbin' and the falconer described having helped to rehabilitate a wild bird of prey that had been injured several hundred miles away in Wales. When it was fully recovered, the bird was taken back home - and flew back to the falconer within 3 days. It had learned where there was a safe, reliable source of food, so why not?
 
Old 11-01-2017, 10:05 AM   #21
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This is pigeon is recovering fast, well and is a male from the way it bobs its head actively. It is getting more comfortable with me with time, is less reactive with a lot less wings flapping etc., and lots less loss of balance when it is placed down or handled. I took it out of the bath tub and placed it on the floor, it walked around very well but tended to walk in very small circles initially. I held it up and moved it gently in flying motion, it flapped both wings very well for a bit. This tells me that it was more shocked when I got it. Probably flew into the front door of my apartment building based on the light and perhaps reflection in the glass. It couldn't move too far. Since, it has no physical injuries external per say it was not attacked by a predator etc., All this is very good to know. Now I just wish to see it fly around better, show better balance when it walks. When all this is demonstrated I plan to release it. I took him close to the back door and showed him outsides, he was very glad to see the sky, nature etc., and wanted to be released. I am in no position now to care for him long term. Can feed him cookies soaked in water still once a day or so as he is not eating anything else. Other two positive signs will be for him to eat on his own and also call out and coo. A real positive friendly sign will be for him to perch on my shoulder, finger. He still looses balance when this is attempted.
 
Old 11-01-2017, 11:55 AM   #22
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I was hungry, made two bagel sandwiches with veggie hoagie type fillings, walked around close to the pigeon as I ate them.

Pigeon started showing signs of foraging for food. So I gave it some budgie seeds, powdered tea biscuits and parts of the bagel sandwich. It ate them all, this is a very positive sign indeed towards recovery. However, still allowing it to stay in the dark inside the bathroom in bathtub for continued recovery.
 
Old 11-01-2017, 02:30 PM   #23
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This pigeon ate up a storm, so I cooked mashed potatoes with bulghur wheat and gave it. It didn't like the pureed food, gave it dry bulghur wheat and it gobbled it all up. I am going to take some rest, this pigeon is making me tired. I am learning something very big from this, a big bird like an amazon, cockatoo etc., is a no no for me. Even a sun conure is too loud for a small apt. and could get me evicted fast. I am a small, simple, poor man with very limited space and resources. I still haven't taken shower today as this pigeon is recovering in the bathtub. Will take one later.

It is starting to coo a bit when I bring hand with food close to it. So this is also a positive sign, will let it relax/rest and then see how it goes.
 
Old 11-01-2017, 06:01 PM   #24
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This pigeon now is getting comfortable perching on my erect pillow and watching me as I lay down in bed. It is still a bit scared when I touch it but is otherwise
comfortable on my pillow. I let it stay there for 15 mts.

I took my shower later and had to keep him outside in a plastic crate,
he jumped down from the crate and sat on floor till my shower was over. Later he also started exploring my tiny apt. and started walking around a lot, foraging. This is certainly good exercise. However, I stopped it in 10 minutes as he needs to recover/rest and it is closer to evening. Will let him do more of this today.

The thing is when doing rescues one may get attached to a bird. However, in many places keeping a feral bird is against the law. Keeping excess birds in tiny apt. is unhealthy. Lastly, what happens if I come across another pigeon or bird that needs help ? If I release this one, then I will be able to help the next with in my apt. The down side to this is that if this pigeon can't fly away, if I release it then it can become easy prey to a predator like a wild cat etc., This will have me feeling very guilty altho I might now know about this. Time will tell, will not rush this process and reflect more.

I can't help a sick or injured pigeon that flies away or is beyond help. If the injury is too bad, then it is best to take it to SPCA to put it down swiftly to avoid the pain. So these are the types of birds that I can assist. If it is a baby pigeon that fell out of nest, I can try to feed it for a few days and see if it survives. If it is a healthy adult pigeon that is dazed from collision and/or one with light injury then I can assist it as I am currently helping this pigeon. Helps to understand my limitations and in what instances I can assist.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 03:35 AM   #25
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That is why I would never rescue a feral bird. Once you take them in, you get attached to them and then what do you do? If it's only a bird you saw by the roadside, why should you care what happens to it. I saved the racer because I knew that
1) it was valuable;
2) I could easily find the owner and it wouldn't be left on my hands.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 09:35 AM   #26
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That is why I would never rescue a feral bird. Once you take them in, you get attached to them and then what do you do? If it's only a bird you saw by the roadside, why should you care what happens to it. I saved the racer because I knew that
1) it was valuable;
2) I could easily find the owner and it wouldn't be left on my hands.
Thanks for sharing your view. All life is valuable. It is not easy, I can't help all agreed. So will try what I can. For now, this pigeon wants to rest a lot. So I am able to give it some warmth, food and a bit of love. Today early morning it even flew around a bit in my room, this was good to see. If it flies around more, then I might release it in due course, time will tell.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 10:30 AM   #27
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Named pigeon as Paul. He is falling upside down when falling from just
top of bed and struggling to get back up, fails to gain balance
has very poor co-ordination, is still scared, so needs a lot
more rest and needs to recover a lot. Must not rush this process based on
prior experience. Slow and steady is best in this regard, let it take its
time.

On the positive side, he ate a lot of the rolled oats I offered, so for this I am happy. It is good that his food doesn't need much preparation.
 
Old 11-02-2017, 12:22 PM   #28
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Appears that this pigeon may have this paramyxovirus PMV. Need to observe, quarantine and learn more:
https://www.pipa.be/en/newsandarticles/ask_the_vet/3822
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramyxoviridae
http://www.pigeon-aid.org.uk/pa/html...irus__pmv_.php
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVK3-MhDOJ4

Will know better in a week to two weeks.
Perhaps by December end it must be healed.
Will take it one day at a time and see how he progresses.
As per the video it can reoccur again even after healed.

Edited to add:
http://www.pigeons.biz/forums/f20/ne...rus-77412.html

This thread above is also useful.

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Old 11-02-2017, 01:00 PM   #29
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If it is a baby pigeon that fell out of nest, I can try to feed it for a few days and see if it survives.
That situation doesn't usually require action: babies can and do leave the nest just before they are confident fliers, and their parents still feed them:
https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wi...babybirds.aspx
 
Old 11-02-2017, 03:24 PM   #30
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That situation doesn't usually require action: babies can and do leave the nest just before they are confident fliers, and their parents still feed them:
https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wi...babybirds.aspx
Yes, have see these and they are quite grownup, these I leave alone. The ones I mention are those that are really young, very rare to see this happen tho.
 
  


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