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Old 07-06-2022, 01:35 AM   #1
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4th or 5th Covid injection recommended, starting 2022 July


Hello,

Happy to live in France and get newest injection?

Some people are at their 5th injection by now. Can you imagine?

The funny thing is that we reach 5th injection. Have you seen the movie "I am a legend"?
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0480249/

What would happen if the covid vaccination would cause mutations, cancers, ... or what else? Discovered later. Most of our civilization would be endanger.

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Old 07-06-2022, 02:22 AM   #2
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What would happen if the covid vaccination would cause mutations, cancers, ... or what else? Discovered later. Most of our civilization would be endanger.

Discussion open.
What would happen if all the dead rose as living dead zombies? In both cases what would happen is you would be watching a movie. I'm not denying there have and probably will be some negative reactions in some small percentage of those who get vaccinated but some small percentage of people react badly to dairy products. The actions of anti-viral vaccinations are very well known because they all function the same at the most fundamental levels and have been used and documented for hundreds of years from the most primitive "measles and hooping cough parties" to mRNA of today. They all introduce a sample of the virus, either weak or dead to train our immunity systems to target and kill such invaders. MRNA vaccines just use the DNA signature instead of the whole virus.

It is because of so many utterly devastating pandemics in the past that so much effort, time, money and expertise has focused on vaccines creating a rapid growth in expertise and technology. Simply put, we're very good at it. One of my uncles, a literal giant of a man, suffered horribly and ultimately died of complications from polio. I wish he had been vaccinated. My ex wife died of Covid. I wish she had been vaccinated. All of the rest of my family and my roommate have been vaccinated and boosted for Covid. My roommate tested positive and she didn't even know she had it beyond feeling a bit puny. I never got it, yet. I'm glad I'm vaccinated not only for my own good health but for others. I'd never want to risk harming others for such an irresponsible oversight. That said, unless I see a major upshoot in cases in my county, I wont hurry to get a 5th shot. I'm confidant I'm reasonably safe now judging by the event with my roommate.
 
Old 07-06-2022, 07:23 AM   #3
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On the contrary, discussions on this subject are not presently permitted on LQ:

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We're putting a moratorium on covid threads for the foreseeable future, so this thread is being closed.
 
Old 07-06-2022, 10:18 AM   #4
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Well, before they close it: I get a flu jab every year. That's been standard practice for old people in the UK for donkey's years. So why should covid not be treated in the same way?
 
Old 07-06-2022, 10:24 AM   #5
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It should come as no surprise that previously-failing companies such as Moderna are suddenly making billions of dollars in profits, while magically enjoying immunity from criminal prosecution thanks to a "medical emergency" that of course will never end. It also should come as no surprise where a designated percentage of these profits then goes.

So, if you ever wondered, "how much is a human life actually worth?" ... now you have your answer: "not much." It can easily be sold for thirty pieces of silver.
 
Old 07-06-2022, 11:28 AM   #6
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It should come as no surprise that previously-failing companies such as Moderna are suddenly making billions of dollars in profits, while magically enjoying immunity from criminal prosecution thanks to a "medical emergency" that of course will never end. It also should come as no surprise where a designated percentage of these profits then goes.

So, if you ever wondered, "how much is a human life actually worth?" ... now you have your answer: "not much." It can easily be sold for thirty pieces of silver.
+ So, long the crime is decided by governments, crime is allowed.
 
Old 07-06-2022, 01:57 PM   #7
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What would happen if the covid vaccination would cause mutations, cancers, ... or what else? Discovered later. Most of our civilization would be endanger.
Good Question. Or perhaps the vaccinations create mutations in viruses, creating need for new dna signature each time, in a never-ending self-perpetuating vicious circle in which humans become more dependent on vaccines for their survival, and in which the other unvaccinated species lose out against the super smart mutated viruses... Is that a possible vector?

Luckily for us, as @enorbet says:
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The actions of anti-viral vaccinations are very well known because they all function the same at the most fundamental levels and have been used and documented for hundreds of years
But even luckierly for us, as the researchers at Oregon State University reported earlier in the year, the spike protein of the covid-19 virus bonds with cannabidiolic and cannabigeriolic acids (found in cannabis), after which the covid-19 virus cannot infect human cells; and cannabis is a medicine that has been used and documented for thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of years...

Eating raw sativa butter seems a bit safer than messing with dna signatures... Kind of like using water and wind generators seem safer than messing with nuclear power...

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Old 07-06-2022, 02:47 PM   #8
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LOL actually, and this is from a guy who worked for years in a major Solar Heating company and LOVED it, modern nuclear power (like Molten Salt) is safer than renewables and don't depend on resources that are intermittent. Perhaps more importantly many new designs that don't require water cooling and auto shutdown because of physical properties not sensors and valves, can be built on much smaller scales like small enough to power a dozen homes or a small business. Talk about Off The Grid!
 
Old 07-06-2022, 04:37 PM   #9
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Everything is safe when operated within the specs described by grant proposals competing for the big energy funds...

Hmmm.... what controls the direction of nutrients through a membrane? Salinity. Let's mess with the natural balance of our ecosystem's salts.

The molten salts turn solid in emergecy, making emergencies easier to contain: better than the water cooled reactors; perhaps a step in the right direction by nuclear industry... microreactors with microdisasters still sound better than macroreactors with macrodisasters...

Nevertheless, unlike vaccination, nuclear power doesn't have hundreds of years of good track records...

Japan plans on injecting the polluted coolant water through a tunnel into the Pacific ocean a km offshore...

Since it doesn't use cooling water, a moltent salt wouldn't have that problem. But that doesn't mean that it won't have other problems.

The salts are so corrosive that they will eventually corrode the lifespan of their containers, so that they'll have to be recycled and refurbished safely... who does that? Won't that bring many microreactors to the same location?

What happens when the recycle and refurbishment facility stocked with weakened containers, gets hit by the earthquake; or safety measures get ignored by greed...

Everything is safe when operated within the specs described by grant proposals competing for the big energy funds...

but what happens if we all get brined?

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Old 07-06-2022, 07:30 PM   #10
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I am all for the type of solar power being used in Spain and Morocco where the suns heat creates power. To me it is a near perfect way to create electricity currently. There is no free beer in energy,.

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Old 07-06-2022, 08:13 PM   #11
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Just FTR solar panels CAN collect ambient heat but that's not how they are designed to work. Solar Panels for heating purposes use low-iron glass exactly so the glass doesn't heat up and passes through as much light as possible. The light energy is converted to heat by being absorbed by a dark surface, the most efficient being copper plated with Black Chrome. For direct conversion to electricity, low iron is again important but also again it is the light radiation, photons, that create current flow in semiconductor materials.

Currently, since the Japanese "nuclear disaster" was in fact a Tsunami disaster, the very worst nuclear disaster was Chernobyl in which 30 people died from direct causes and another 60 from possible secondary causes. If we calculate the number of gigawatts of generated power from all nuclear sources, whether submarines are included or not, even with the obvious flaw of choosing to use sea vessel powerplants which have a constant supply of water cooling, on land where water must be pumped in, nuclear is the safest power source that has ever existed in deaths/gigawatt. So it should be obvious that if we abandon water-based technology for land-based powerplants, those stats will only improve. There is no way to generate energy without any negative effects. It all boils down to Cost/Benefit ratio, with a concern for sustainability. In the case of environmental impact, various devices such as molten salt which do not need enriched fuels and can actually reduce the levels of toxicity of existing weapons grade radioactives it actually has a positive effect on environment compared to the alternatives, as well as relieving the issue of fissionable falling ionto the wrong hands.

Jefro, it would be helpful to know how you determined what you had was actually Covid and perhaps, if you don't mind, your age and general health. Since very conservatively (stats have been rigorously made more strict since earlier reports) according to Johns Hopkins considerably more than a million people have died directly caused by Covid19, and many more will suffer very long term serious damage, again we are wise to employ Cost/Benefit to vaccines in all diseases. Despite some nations producing "less than best" quality of vaccines the number of people suffering ill effects is an extremely low percentage. When one gambles, assuming one can "afford" it (pre-existing conditions affecting risk potential) it's most wise to "bet with The House".
 
Old 07-06-2022, 09:12 PM   #12
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I'm a senior citizen and I work out and eat healthy.

My main issue with the vaccine is that it basically has no testing like every other vaccine has had. Sure people who were very unhealthy to begin with had to chance the vaccine. Many of the folks didn't do themselves any favor by not taking care of their body. I get that. The only reason I got the vaccine is that my goofy wife was screaming about it. Her family had many members from 3 to 95 get covid before the shot and had no ill effects. 3 of them in 90's in homes were sick for a week or two. Why she was so scared I don't know.

At least they have published the fact that there is/was a genetic variable that the original covid did prey upon.

For me it is MUCH more dangerous driving to work. statistically that is.

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Old 07-07-2022, 12:33 AM   #13
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Everything is safe when operated within the specs described by grant proposals competing for the big energy funds...

Hmmm.... what controls the direction of nutrients through a membrane? Salinity. Let's mess with the natural balance of our ecosystem's salts.

The molten salts turn solid in emergecy, making emergencies easier to contain: better than the water cooled reactors; perhaps a step in the right direction by nuclear industry... microreactors with microdisasters still sound better than macroreactors with macrodisasters...

Nevertheless, unlike vaccination, nuclear power doesn't have hundreds of years of good track records...

Japan plans on injecting the polluted coolant water through a tunnel into the Pacific ocean a km offshore...

Since it doesn't use cooling water, a moltent salt wouldn't have that problem. But that doesn't mean that it won't have other problems.

The salts are so corrosive that they will eventually corrode the lifespan of their containers, so that they'll have to be recycled and refurbished safely... who does that? Won't that bring many microreactors to the same location?

What happens when the recycle and refurbishment facility stocked with weakened containers, gets hit by the earthquake; or safety measures get ignored by greed...

Everything is safe when operated within the specs described by grant proposals competing for the big energy funds...

but what happens if we all get brined?
When the Russians come, nothing is safe anymore. At Tschernobyl, it seems that Russia did great disaster in 2022.

Concerning vaccination, most people that did several injections, got easier the virus. Vaccination seriously weaken the body. For a flue, you do not need to "very much" force the population to get vaccinated. "Get vaccinated or go to leave in street". What kind of thing is it, i.e. politics in EU/US/Asia?

Russia, Japan, Korea, Germany,... France,.. mostly similar. Similar to Russia passport giving in #ua: get the Russian passport or finish nowhere. They still have a choice: the option 1.) or 2.).

What about having more Freedom rather than less (yearly)?

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Old 07-07-2022, 08:46 AM   #14
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I'm a senior citizen and I work out and eat healthy.

My main issue with the vaccine is that it basically has no testing like every other vaccine has had. Sure people who were very unhealthy to begin with had to chance the vaccine. Many of the folks didn't do themselves any favor by not taking care of their body. I get that. The only reason I got the vaccine is that my goofy wife was screaming about it. Her family had many members from 3 to 95 get covid before the shot and had no ill effects. 3 of them in 90's in homes were sick for a week or two. Why she was so scared I don't know.

At least they have published the fact that there is/was a genetic variable that the original covid did prey upon.

For me it is MUCH more dangerous driving to work. statistically that is.
Thank you, jefro for your quick response and opinions and kudos for working out and eating healthy. I do wish you had included how you were tested to verify what you had was Covid, but here are some important considerations revealed by research.

In reverse order, 2021 was a 16 year high in automotive related deaths, reaching just shy of 43,000 fatalities that year. In the same year there were roughly 460,000 Covid related deaths in the same period, literally an order of magnitude (x10) greater than commuting risk.

Many have faulted mRNA vaccines as "too new" and "untested" but that is simply not so for the underlying principles. The first mRNA vaccines began testing in the early 1970s, were ramped up with testing in lab mice in the 1990s as proof of concept. That was well known, but the only obstacle for use in humans wasn't how well or safe they worked but whether they could do any good since initially the mRNA would break down in humans too soon, before it could "deliver it's message".

I am by no means convinced of the application of scientific basis revealed in the track record of FDA in every area, but I do trust Johns Hopkins and other such organizations for truthfulness based on actual Science, even when it means contradicting politics. Johns Hopkins backs up the conservative estimate that 67% of US citizens being vaccinated, prevented approximately 2 million deaths. I don't see that as a trivial benefit while absolutely respecting the right of any citizen refusing vaccination provided they don't risk passing it on to others. That's just good neighbor policy.
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Old 07-07-2022, 09:55 AM   #15
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For many months now, all the covid cases in UK hospitals have been unvaccinated people. Vaccination doesn't stop you getting the disease; it's not like being vaccinated against smallpox or measles. But it does seemingly stop you from getting really ill with it.
 
  


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