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Old 04-16-2017, 01:20 PM   #106
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Isn't "Alt" the opposite of "Mainstream"?
I don't know, but whatever is not from the mainstream I treat it with more credibility
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Putin Addressing G-A-S Attack Using Logic & Facts
 
Old 04-16-2017, 05:41 PM   #107
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You're Crazy NOT to Believe EVERYTHING MSM Tells You About Syria
 
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Jeebiz, always remember that, "main stream" or not, media exists for one purpose: to sell advertising.

It also wants to be the ones to control the public's reaction to anything. Media is accustomed to being the "king-makers."

Actual, balanced news reporting and analysis is much harder to find, but the Internet does give you access to a great many sources. (For instance, what are Syrian news outlets saying? How about neighboring countries?)
 
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Jeebiz, always remember that, "main stream" or not, media exists for one purpose: to sell advertising.
It also wants to be the ones to control the public's reaction to anything. Media is accustomed to being the "king-makers."
That is why you see such dirty tactics now being employed on Youtube, the de-monitization of channels if they are in any way political, yet the big news outlets that are on Youtube don't get de-monitized, so, yea resorting to outright dirty tactics. That is why the Youtubers that I go for political analysis have now resorted to crowd funding and Patreon, and I gladly support them.

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Actual, balanced news reporting and analysis is much harder to find, but the Internet does give you access to a great many sources. (For instance, what are Syrian news outlets saying? How about neighboring countries?)
Syrian news outlets will just obviously say it was an unprovoked attack. I would have been checking Al-Jazeera English but I rarely check them, and try to steer away from them as much as possible. There is no one source nor should anyone just depend on a single source, but I find that all of the western sources (particularly in the US) already have the same narrative, same bias.
 
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As I said – "we live in interesting times." YouTube is by far "not the only source of videos." It's just the best-known one – and, far less interesting than it used to be. (Whenever a service gets bought-up by Google, it begins to die.)

Nonetheless – if you want to research behind any story – and hear any number of other points-of-view, you can ... like never before.
 
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As I said – "we live in interesting times." YouTube is by far "not the only source of videos." It's just the best-known one – and, far less interesting than it used to be. (Whenever a service gets bought-up by Google, it begins to die.)

Nonetheless – if you want to research behind any story – and hear any number of other points-of-view, you can ... like never before.
That is true, I am also naive enough to think that Youtube can somehow still be saved then again it probably won't be long until the videos I look at on Youtube and even perhaps the commentators I watch might be removed suddenly. This is pretty much the legacy media fighting back.


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No matter how I try to explain via conventional mainstream media the way I see the world, I find myself having to explain the rudimentary and abecedarian. And it hurts. And is tiring.
 
Old 04-17-2017, 02:36 PM   #112
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From the UK I came across this article about stopping United States wars:

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7684181.html
 
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From the UK I came across this article about stopping United States wars ...
An interesting article, but it seemed to omit two considerations:
  • What the UK is doing in the Middle East, also. (Every European power has played the middle east like a chessboard ever since that chessboard was created after the end of World War 1.)
  • That it might be possible that Trump meant: both what he said during the campaign, and what he is doing today with the military at his command.

Arguably, someone who is using nerve gas at all(!) "will only listen to an explosion, because that's the only language he knows." But at the same time: "this man is a beast ... why is anybody 'backing' him?"

It is the chess game that is the underlying problem, but it is an extremely lucrative one.

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Old 04-17-2017, 03:21 PM   #114
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An interesting article, but it seemed to omit two considerations:[list][*] What the UK is doing in the Middle East, also. (Every European power has played the middle east like a chessboard ever since that chessboard was created after the end of World War 1.)[*] That it might be possible that Trump meant: both what he said during the campaign, and what he is doing today with the military at his command.[list]

Arguably, someone who is using nerve gas at all(!) "will only listen to an explosion, because that's the only language he knows." But at the same time: "this man is a beast ... why is anybody 'backing' him?"

It is the chess game that is the underlying problem, but it is an extremely lucrative one.
I happen to disagree about Assad, and I will reiterate my points again on the matter:
  • Who really are the FSA?
  • Who really are the White Helmets?
  • What will happen to the non Sunni groups - Shia, Alawites, Christians, Kurds, Druz and Yezidis?
  • Why won't the US just support Assad, he is ACTUALLY fighting terrorists - Russia too
  • Assad was winning anyways, so again what logic is there for him to suddenly use a chemical weapon?
  • We are told it is sarin, but you see "White Helmets" with no protective gear?
  • Why is it so difficult to consider, Assad had no part in this attack?

Key points of AFP interview with Assad.


Why am I so keen even more now on Assad not being deposed? Because again Syria will end up just like Libya. Again, Syria is a relatively developed country - a mix of different ethnic groups, and religions - again what do you think will happen if the FSA who is obviously infiltrated by ISIS and other extremist groups are successful? We have "allies" in the region like Saudi Arabia that is pretty much mirroring the ideology of ISIS, people there are treated worse than in Syria, never mind if you are also a female. Yet we are to be expected to believe the narrative that Assad is the enemy, but the fscking Saudis who are our allies are the good ones?

I recognise also that there is a greater picture here, of influence and money - etc, but this kind of game of chess the US cannot hope to win against Russia, period. Besides, the US has always been a shitty chess player on the world stage, because they are probably using a checkers strategy, when the rest of the world particularly the Russians are master chess players.

I will close with this again - I have not seen any REAL proof it was Assad - this strike was pointless and if I am still going to be dragged along, well I will NOT remain silent about it, and make as much of a ruckus as I can. This narrative is BULLSHIT!

Dare I say, it is a false flag!

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Old 04-17-2017, 07:16 PM   #115
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Every now and then I am reminded about " the police actions " of the United States government in Korea and Vietnam and the many lives needlessly lost there and I wonder what makes our species so illogically violent!!

http://www.fff.org/2017/04/17/nation...e-big-mistake/
 
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[...] but this kind of game of chess the US cannot hope to win against Russia, period.
... Hmm ...

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There's no such thing as 'A Winnable War.'
It's a Lie we don't believe anymore.
 
Old 04-17-2017, 09:57 PM   #117
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I think the "problem" is that the terrorist groups that operate in Syria haven't been able to overthrow Assad, so the US government has gotten a bit desperate and decided to take things into their own hands and do the dirty job by itself.

I read that, following the attack, Russia decided to end the coordination of air strikes with the US, which from my point of view is a way of saying "from now on, we're not responsible to you if we down one of your planes or attack you by mistake".
I think there are different factions. There is Israel's faction that wants the war to continue forever. Daniel Pipes has a unique proposal for a Neocon. The US should stay out. However he says: "The immense resources of the United States should be dedicated, rather, to two goals: reduce human suffering with blankets and soup and prevent the stronger side (now the regime) from winning through the provision of intelligence and arms to the weaker side (the Sunni rebels)."
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2017...-bombing-syria

The CIA armed the Salafi Jihadist. I'm curious what the US military's position is now. They tricked the CIA into giving their terrorist old weapons.

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In the early stages of the talks, the adviser said, the Joint Chiefs tried to establish what Assad needed as a sign of their good intentions. The answer was sent through one of Assad’s friends: ‘Bring him the head of Prince Bandar.’ The Joint Chiefs did not oblige. Bandar bin Sultan had served Saudi Arabia for decades in intelligence and national security affairs, and spent more than twenty years as ambassador in Washington. In recent years, he has been known as an advocate for Assad’s removal from office by any means. Reportedly in poor health, he resigned last year as director of the Saudi National Security Council, but Saudi Arabia continues to be a major provider of funds to the Syrian opposition, estimated by US intelligence last year at $700 million.

In July 2013, the Joint Chiefs found a more direct way of demonstrating to Assad how serious they were about helping him. By then the CIA-sponsored secret flow of arms from Libya to the Syrian opposition, via Turkey, had been underway for more than a year (it started sometime after Gaddafi’s death on 20 October 2011).​* The operation was largely run out of a covert CIA annex in Benghazi, with State Department acquiescence. On 11 September 2012 the US ambassador to Libya, Christopher Stevens, was killed during an anti-American demonstration that led to the burning down of the US consulate in Benghazi; reporters for the Washington Post found copies of the ambassador’s schedule in the building’s ruins. It showed that on 10 September Stevens had met with the chief of the CIA’s annex operation. The next day, shortly before he died, he met a representative from Al-Marfa Shipping and Maritime Services, a Tripoli-based company which, the JCS adviser said, was known by the Joint Staff to be handling the weapons shipments.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymou...ry-to-military
 
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I happen to disagree about Assad, and I will reiterate my points again on the matter:
  • Who really are the FSA?
  • Who really are the White Helmets?
  • What will happen to the non Sunni groups - Shia, Alawites, Christians, Kurds, Druz and Yezidis?
  • Why won't the US just support Assad, he is ACTUALLY fighting terrorists - Russia too
  • Assad was winning anyways, so again what logic is there for him to suddenly use a chemical weapon?
  • We are told it is sarin, but you see "White Helmets" with no protective gear?
  • Why is it so difficult to consider, Assad had no part in this attack?
FSA = Salafi Jihadist that work with Al Qaeda and ISIS when opportunity arises. White Helmets are a feel good propaganda outfit just like that little girl on twitter that is in Turkey. Shia, Alawites, Christians, Druz, Yezidis will be exterminated if Assad loses. The Kurds will either be beaten back by Turkey or possibly take a piece of Turkey if they are extremely lucky and are willing to take heavy casualties. That is going to be explosive but that (Kurds) is the US military's ally against ISIS.

White Helmets helped stage it or it wasn't sarin. Its difficult because the arguments in the media are framed in such a manner that Assad's guilt is inherent because he is the one targeted for removal. I'm waiting for an investigation. I'll take the word of the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity group for now.
 
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And still the hellish Chess game continues. Find someone who's fighting someone else, and sell him weapons. Some other government takes the other side, so sell that government weapons to give to the other side. The arms trade is even bigger than the drug trade, although both are very closely related.

Whereas if you stop selling them things that blow up, eventually they will run out of them.
 
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Thomas Friedman is another Israel supporter wanting to use Salafi Jihadist in Syria against Iran and Hezbollah, wanting the US to refrain from attacking ISIS so they can do what they do in Syria rather than being antiwar.
http://fair.org/home/thomas-friedman...air-with-isis/
 
  


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