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Old 04-13-2017, 05:05 PM   #91
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Correct it is an ongoing war, and why the Chinese have ordered a significant amount of troops on the DPRK border is rather curious. Also they have rejected coal shipments from the DPRK, very odd behavior for a country that is known to be historical allies with the DPRK. It looks like even China is losing patience with the antics of the DPRK.
As well they should. The leader (sic ...) of that country is a very dangerous boy who is quite-clearly a puppet in the hands of far more dangerous old men. He's clamoring for attention (that he does not deserve ...) on the world's stage, and he's doing it with missiles that could be pointed in any direction. He's tossing lighted matches into buckets of gasoline, and laughing while he does it. (Or maybe, he's just doing what he's told.)

He must be stopped, and, well, it's China who really started this mess in the first place. The peninsula should not be divided, anyway. Historically, it never was. The Korean people, on both sides of the DMZ line, have been living with increasingly dangerous uncertainty for over fifty years now ... and with no good reason. The people of Korea, South and North, deserve better.

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Old 04-13-2017, 07:10 PM   #92
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As well they should. The leader (sic ...) of that country is a very dangerous boy who is quite-clearly a puppet in the hands of far more dangerous old men. He's clamoring for attention (that he does not deserve ...) on the world's stage, and he's doing it with missiles that could be pointed in any direction. He's tossing lighted matches into buckets of gasoline, and laughing while he does it. (Or maybe, he's just doing what he's told.)

He must be stopped, and, well, it's China who really started this mess in the first place. The peninsula should not be divided, anyway. Historically, it never was. The Korean people, on both sides of the DMZ line, have been living with increasingly dangerous uncertainty for over fifty years now ... and with no good reason. The people of Korea, South and North, deserve better.
Well I think maybe this is where Trump's business savvy might have come in handy - because lets be realistic, China is not about to just turn their back on the DPRK without obvious incentives. Trade is one thing, but also if say Trump managed to convince the Chinese to purchase coal from the States - that is quite an accomplishment - because not only they would be effectively turning their back on the DPRK, but also purchasing coal at a higher price.

https://archive.fo/Y4Wuv
 
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Well I think maybe this is where Trump's business savvy might have come in handy - because lets be realistic, China is not about to just turn their back on the DPRK without obvious incentives. Trade is one thing, but also if say Trump managed to convince the Chinese to purchase coal from the States - that is quite an accomplishment - because not only they would be effectively turning their back on the DPRK, but also purchasing coal at a higher price.
Not so sure ... "the United States" is fully half-a-planet away from either of these destinations.
 
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Not so sure ... "the United States" is fully half-a-planet away from either of these destinations.
Well there still must have been some kind of carrot there, because I doubt that the Chinese would have budged on just a threat. This is very significant but also even more dangerous. At this point it is possible that the DPRK will just outright lash out still, we just do not know.

Back to Syria though:

I had to dig around, since the BBC wouldn't kindly provide the entire interview but I feel it is important to see:

Interview with Assad(Entire interview!)
https://www.afp.com/en/news/23/syria...nt-fabrication

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Old 04-14-2017, 08:12 AM   #95
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Well there still must have been some kind of carrot there, because I doubt that the Chinese would have budged on just a threat. This is very significant but also even more dangerous. At this point it is possible that the DPRK will just outright lash out still, we just do not know.
Remember that China is the ancient country that brought us "The Art of War." . . .

All of Korea is an isthmus, anchored by China and surrounded by water. But it is not the Chinese way to move impulsively, nor to reveal when nor in which way one intends to move.

It is obvious that the North Korean dictator is becoming very dangerous to a lot of people – even though he basically seems to be doing it to attract attention to himself. Not exactly the brightest little Crayon® in the box . . .

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Old 04-14-2017, 08:35 AM   #96
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American intelligence officers say that the Syrian planes did not release the chemicals but may have hit something containing chemicals on the ground.
https://scotthorton.org/interviews/4...gas-narrative/

"2 – Our U.S. Army contacts in the area have told us this is not what happened. There was no Syrian “chemical weapons attack.” Instead, a Syrian aircraft bombed an al-Qaeda-in-Syria ammunition depot that turned out to be full of noxious chemicals and a strong wind blew the chemical-laden cloud over a nearby village where many consequently died."
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/1...ia-escalation/


The last time the Turks had something to do with it.
"Our senior military officers have been told by the DIA and other intelligence assets that the sarin was supplied through Turkey – that it could only have gotten there with Turkish support."
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymou...d-the-rat-line

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By the late summer of 2013, the DIA’s assessment had been circulated widely, but although many in the American intelligence community were aware that the Syrian opposition was dominated by extremists the CIA-sponsored weapons kept coming, presenting a continuing problem for Assad’s army. Gaddafi’s stockpile had created an international arms bazaar, though prices were high. ‘There was no way to stop the arms shipments that had been authorised by the president,’ the JCS adviser said. ‘The solution involved an appeal to the pocketbook. The CIA was approached by a representative from the Joint Chiefs with a suggestion: there were far less costly weapons available in Turkish arsenals that could reach the Syrian rebels within days, and without a boat ride.’ But it wasn’t only the CIA that benefited. ‘We worked with Turks we trusted who were not loyal to Erdoğan,’ the adviser said, ‘and got them to ship the jihadists in Syria all the obsolete weapons in the arsenal, including M1 carbines that hadn’t been seen since the Korean War and lots of Soviet arms.
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymou...ry-to-military

If the US military loses its marbles and nerve to go around the President like they did Obama there will be WWIII.
 
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American intelligence officers say that the Syrian planes did not release the chemicals but may have hit something containing chemicals on the ground.
https://scotthorton.org/interviews/4...gas-narrative/

"2 – Our U.S. Army contacts in the area have told us this is not what happened. There was no Syrian “chemical weapons attack.” Instead, a Syrian aircraft bombed an al-Qaeda-in-Syria ammunition depot that turned out to be full of noxious chemicals and a strong wind blew the chemical-laden cloud over a nearby village where many consequently died."
https://consortiumnews.com/2017/04/1...ia-escalation/


The last time the Turks had something to do with it.
"Our senior military officers have been told by the DIA and other intelligence assets that the sarin was supplied through Turkey – that it could only have gotten there with Turkish support."
https://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymou...d-the-rat-line


https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n01/seymou...ry-to-military

If the US military loses its marbles and nerve to go around the President like they did Obama there will be WWIII.
And will anyone from the 'news' media in the USA will even mention any of this, let alone talk about it? I think not. Bryan Williams of MSNBC would have to retract his statements about how 'beautiful' the missiles were as they were being launched.
 
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And will anyone from the 'news' media in the USA will even mention any of this, let alone talk about it? I think not. Bryan Williams of MSNBC would have to retract his statements about how 'beautiful' the missiles were as they were being launched.
If they do they will call it fake news. What I've learned from Trump is that the President does not direct the propaganda. He is directed by the propaganda. I think the propaganda comes from war profiteers. They get generals on TV who have ties to these weapons manufacturers and its in their interest to say the US must intervene everywhere. Then there are the neocons carefully placed throughout the media that advocate for Israel's interest. Then there are the think tanks that have a lot of foreign funding as well as corporate funding:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/us...anks.html?_r=0

Its a mess. What I find horrifying is the guy that is supposed to be dangerous is one of our most sane political officials. He had to explain to the news media during an press conference that a nuclear holocaust was a bad thing. He just did one careful strike. He forewarned the Russians. Its not out of love for them but out of fear of starting a nuclear war. He has a self-preservation streak. Hillary was like take out all the airfields:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/vi...irfields-video

Trump did it for domestic politics and possibly leverage. This is what TV news should look like:
https://youtu.be/Ah14yOHWrGY

If the US was bankrupt would they still be belligerent, or are these crazed psychopaths going to continue this all the way to nuclear war? It would be nice if we could get an idea of where the nukes will land when that time comes for the survivalist amongst us.
 
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RT - Crosstalk: War-a-Lago
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Trump supporters voted to bring change to America – and that included foreign policy. Weeks into his administration Trump has signaled that it isn’t going happen – at least for now. Why the reversal and what will be the political costs?
CrossTalking with Earl Rasmussen, Michael Maloof, and Kevin Shipp.
 
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Trump is Jacksonian. Trump contradicted himself during the campaign but so far he has kept his promises. Trump hasn't done a regime change yet. He hasn't started nuclear war with Russia yet. He is getting the Europeans to help pay for their security and foreign imperialism. He promised to fight "Radical Islam" (very vague but popular propaganda term) and bomb ISIS. I expect war with Iran. He is very close to Netanyahu. He went on Israeli television in support for Netanyahu for prime minister of Israel: https://youtu.be/tm5Je73bYOY

Netanyahu, his obedient servants, and his Iran obsession in song (its catchy):
https://youtu.be/6Txrcpl49GQ

I'm personally delighted that we aren't in nuclear war with Russia yet. We have a little longer to enjoy life! I wonder how many quagmires does the US Empire have left in it? I just hope its reaper isn't a nuclear power.

One year ago:
"The risk that the multi-sided Syrian war could spark World War III continues as Turkey, Saudi Arabia and U.S. neocons seek an invasion that could kill Russian troops — and possibly escalate the Syrian crisis into a nuclear showdown, amazingly to protect Al Qaeda terrorists, reports Robert Parry."
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/1...-for-al-qaeda/

Its amazing what the US is risking annihilation over. Haley is for it but the US is stuck on brinkmanship. "If the greatest poker game of all times will end by nuclear grand slam, and the survivors will review the causes of WWIII, they will die laughing. The Third World War had been fought to save al Qaeda. Yes, my dear readers! Uncle Sam invaded Afghanistan in order to punish al Qaeda, and now he started the World War to save al Qaeda. Positively a great ambivalent passionate love/hate relationship between the American gentleman and the Arab girl, from 9/11 to Aleppo." http://www.israelshamir.com/article/nuclear-poker/
 
Old 04-14-2017, 10:21 PM   #101
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I was tempted to create another thread, but decided against it. Today (Korea time) - right now the DPRK is having their 'parade' - supposedly they are going to do a nuclear test, but who knows. I am watching the parade live, because I cannot help but be curious... It is surreal to say the least.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG6CJ1LMh8Y


Also

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39600426

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Old 04-15-2017, 12:11 PM   #102
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Just another opinion I found interesting about President Trump bombing Syria!!

http://original.antiwar.com/david_st...t-assad/print/
 
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Lionel Nation - The Breathtaking Incoherence of American Foreign Policy as to North Korea and Syria
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We are a marvelous species, homo sapiens. With emphasis on the sapient component. Deep down, we know what's right and correct for the world. Listen carefully and pay attention.
 
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You have to ask yourself what mainstream media seek to accomplish altogether via their unique spectrum and coverage worldview. This begs the question that they've a plan in the first place. Scattered energy and dislocated targeting of issue analysis and de minimis critical thinking. Alas.
 
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Lionel Nation - Alt-Left Mainstream
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