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Old 04-09-2017, 12:26 AM   #61
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Countries and it's governments don't want peace. Peace is BORING. They want wars because it's big business for them and costly for us tax payers.

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Old 04-09-2017, 09:21 AM   #62
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Yes I know who "Comical Ali" is, but that is irrelevant - and still did not justify the actions in Iraq, nor did it prove anything.



He did the right thing and actually did - and still got toppled for it. Again I don't care about Qaddafi, but considering the situation in Libya now - maybe we should have just left him the hell alone.



The rebels are most likely absorbed by ISIS or Al-Nusra - so at this point, they are no longer a legitimate force to recognise, henceforth I recognise the current government of Syria as a legitimate force, - not because I like Assad, but because I know it will end up just like Libya and all of the non Sunni groups will be fscked, go ahead and try to dispute me on that. I am eager for any sort of rebuttal - I am not trolling either, seriously give me a valid reason why I should change my position on this?



Yes there should be an investigation, with the USA, Russia, Swiss ALL TOGETHER - this should have been done before any such strikes.



Again, an investigation with the Swiss, US, Russia TOGETHER should have taken place. As the Swiss being the neutral third party, I would find it hard for anyone to pull of any shady shenigans.



No of course not, but I am not going to just jump to conclusions like a good little American consumer and point the finger at Assad either. Sorry - I want 110% concrete, irrefutable proof.



I see no less cruelty in being shot vs being gassed vs whatever. I would imagine they are all painful in very different ways.



I am well aware of Russia Today - but in all this they still seem like the sane ones here. There is no such thing as an unbiased source, they are all biased - but I find RT to have more credibility than CNN,FOX,MSNBC,CBS,NBC(American corporate goons). Besides, CNN told me not to trust RT because apparently RT is the cause for Madame Cyberhack to lose - so in that case, I love RT now.
Once again (without trying to be rude), you are entitled to believe what you like and I have NO problem if you would like to differ, with me in any way what so ever. As let's face it, the world would be a pretty boring place if we all did agree on everything. But that is just NOT the way it works (not your fault, mind you)!

But having said all of that, I stand by everything, I have said here!

But anyways, I've got some HDMI audio to try and get working, so gonna have to leave it at that, bye.
 
Old 04-09-2017, 12:20 PM   #63
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Once again (without trying to be rude), you are entitled to believe what you like and I have NO problem if you would like to differ, with me in any way what so ever. As let's face it, the world would be a pretty boring place if we all did agree on everything. But that is just NOT the way it works (not your fault, mind you)!

But having said all of that, I stand by everything, I have said here!
That is perfectly fine, I am rather happy I was able to debate and just offer my views, that was the whole point.


Lionel Nation - Modern Foreign Policy For Dummies
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This might be the most important video you require and need to negotiate what is portrayed as real and the truth.

Or not.
 
Old 04-09-2017, 12:34 PM   #64
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Some LQ members of this thread might like this article on the spoils of war!!

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/07/...bombing-syria/
 
Old 04-09-2017, 01:43 PM   #65
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Some LQ members of this thread might like this article on the spoils of war!!

https://theintercept.com/2017/04/07/...bombing-syria/
That article is spot on - everything from the media being forced to do a 180 on Trump, and confusing the hell of the pundits now who were told to fling vitriol at Trump. The media is nothing more but essentially state propaganda now - and the same play is being put on for us as per usual. I have to agree with Trump at this juncture when he stated that the media is the enemy of the people. Same goes now for the democrats - they now are in a position where they cannot outright attack Trump - yet somehow some and even in the media are still trying to push the whole 'well Trump is still controlled by Putin.' It would be funny if it weren't so cringe worthy - and of course Madame Cyberhack had to start running her own mouth again - egging Trump on - while still whining and placing blame on Bernie because she lost the election.

Going further into the anti-Trumpers - it is hilarious as the article points out - that they now are trusting Trump when it comes to policies of bombing others, when though ever since he came into office, he was a 'fascist' - the cognitive dissonance must be really painful to them I wonder. One other thing about Madame Cyberhack - had she been in office it would have been worse and she would have most likely established a 'no fly zone' into Syria - thus effectively ensuring a confrontation with Russia as even one of the generals stated as such.

That article just pretty much points that nothing has changed or will ever change. No matter who is elected one way or another they are opted or coerced into the same idiotic actions - and the public is sold the same sham of a story. I will state again, I will not go quietly though - they can go a head and drag me along, but I won't be silent and I will be kicking and screaming bloody murder.
 
Old 04-09-2017, 03:38 PM   #66
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H.A. Goodman - OBAMA SYRIA STRIKE PLAN BIGGER THAN TRUMP STRIKE: Obama Ignored Peace for Regime Change
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West 'ignored Russian offer in 2012 to have Syria's Assad step aside'
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...sad-step-aside
H.A. Goodman - BREAKING: TULSI GABBARD CONDEMNED BY HOWARD DEAN AND DEMOCRATS FOR PEACE TALKS

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Old 04-09-2017, 05:37 PM   #67
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H.A. Goodman - CNN: TULSI GABBARD SKEPTICAL OF TRUMP SYRIA INTERVENTION: Demands Independent Investigation
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CNN: Rep. Tulsi Gabbard 'skeptical'
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/07/politi...blitzer-cnntv/

Also something to ponder:

Dark5 - 5 Rumored U.S. False Flag Operations
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5 alleged & rumored false flag conspiracies that may have been perpetrated by the U.S. government, military, CIA, & NSA... including new hacking revelations from WikiLeaks Vault 7 & a plan to target YouTube?
 
Old 04-09-2017, 07:45 PM   #68
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ISIS at it again.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/09/middle...rch-explosion/

As always, take always attack soft targets.
 
Old 04-10-2017, 02:33 AM   #69
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I seriously doubt they would launch airstrikes, if they were not sure who done it. Ever heard of chemical Ali? As well as the no fly zone over where the kurds are in Iraq? There was a good reason for that, because Saddam, DID gas the kurds.
In fact, this has never been established. It's been written in and signed off as official US propaganda - and served it's purpose well for the US led invasion of Iraq/2003.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/31/op...ct-of-war.html

All of this was during the Iran/Iraq war. We know that the US supported Iraq during the conflict, despite the Ba'athist's human rights record. Donald Rumsfedlt sold chemical weapons to the Ba'athist regime. And we also know that the US was dealing under the table to Iran at the same time (the so called "Iran-contra affair").
 
Old 04-10-2017, 04:30 PM   #70
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From this recent online article in theintercept.com ...

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New wars trigger the worst in people: their jingoism, their tribal loyalties, their instinct to submit to authority and leaders. The incentive scheme here is as obvious as it is frightening: great rewards await political leaders who start new wars.

In Federalist 4, John Jay (in, uhh, 1784 ...) warned of all the personal benefits a leader obtains from starting a new war which is the reason it was supposed to be difficult for U.S. Presidents to do it:

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It is too true, however disgraceful it may be to human nature, that nations in general will make war whenever they have a prospect of getting anything by it; nay, absolute monarchs will often make war when their nations are to get nothing by it, but for the purposes and objects merely personal, such as thirst for military glory, revenge for personal affronts, ambition, or private compacts to aggrandize or support their particular families or partisans. These and a variety of other motives, which affect only the mind of the sovereign, often lead him to engage in wars not sanctified by justice or the voice and interests of his people.
Food for thought . . . albeit "from 233 years ago, at this writing."

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Edit: Although I have cited this article, let it be said that I do not therefore personally agree with its subsequent premises, nor with its subsequent conclusions. "Your Mileage May Vary."

(To me, the whole article is, otherwise, "a more-or-less delicious example of 'breathing' ... ahem ... one's own ... ahem ... 'air.'" )

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Old 04-10-2017, 05:06 PM   #71
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Lionel Nation - Sleepwalking Through American Foreign Policy History and Reinvention
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Prolegomenon and proem, first. (Get it?) Let us begin with an immutable fact of human behavior, specifically contemporary American behavior. Americans simply hate the truth. The troublesome truth, the uncomfortable and (dare I remind you) the inconvenient truth. Truth that bristles and frightens and awakens and piques. Truth that confronts us with the lie of contemporary fable masked as history. History, as Tolstoy reminds us, would be a wonderful thing if only it were true. Truth would be a wonderful thing if only it were pleasant.

Enjoy this explication and disquisition on that which is indubitably obvious. At least to me.

RT Crosstalk - Bullhorns: POTUS Goes 180
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Is Trump doing a one-eighty to please his political foes – it sure looks like it. Indeed, the mainstream media is now singing his praises. One has to ask – has the deep state and the neocons tamed Trump?
CrossTalking with Joaquin Flores and Dmitry Babich.

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Old 04-10-2017, 06:54 PM   #72
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H.A. Goodman - TULSI GABBARD DEMANDS TRUMP GIVE EVIDENCE TO JUSTIFY SYRIA STRIKE: Show Americans Evidence
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CONGRESSWOMAN GABBARD DEMANDS EVIDENCE: https://twitter.com/sahouraxo/status/851102994435330050
 
Old 04-10-2017, 07:43 PM   #73
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Waging endless wars abroad (in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now Syria) isn’t making America—or the rest of the world—any safer, it’s certainly not making America great again, and it’s undeniably digging the United States deeper into debt.-John W. Whitehead
 
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Waging endless wars abroad (in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and now Syria) isn’t making America—or the rest of the world—any safer, it’s certainly not making America great again, and it’s undeniably digging the United States deeper into debt.-John W. Whitehead
It makes the USA look like the POLICE of the entire world and It just makes more enemies and haters to us. As for the debt part, we the tax payers are paying for it as I mentioned in post #61.

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Old 04-11-2017, 08:50 AM   #75
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"Syria war: G7 rejects sanctions on Russia after 'chemical attack'"

"G7 nations have rejected a call by Britain for sanctions against Russia in the wake of a deadly chemical attack they say was carried out by Moscow's ally, Syria."

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39565700


RT America - #HandsOffSyria: 30+ cities protest Trump's missile strikes
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As US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson prepares to meet with his Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov, an anti-war movement is brewing in US streets against US missile strikes in Syria. Hundreds of protesters gathered in more than 30 cities to speak out against President Donald Trump’s pivot towards regime change. RT America's Alexey Yaroshevsky has more.

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