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Old 01-30-2017, 01:17 PM   #61
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Going to go on a fun little tangent :

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Howzabout we stop talking about each other as "Republicans" or "Democrats," and start using the word, "American?"

"A house divided against itself cannot stand ..."
Funny you should mention that - I came across this:

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Old 01-30-2017, 03:23 PM   #62
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if we are not careful we will have another , as my daughter calls it, "the war of northern aggression"
and my great great something second cousin marred a general that in the 1860's burned down the city she lives it in Georgia

it is starting to be a WAR of " EXTREME Christian radicals " VS. "those of us that are NOT EXTREME right Christians "
and I AM NOT !!! a Christian !!!!

but of course this all leads to:
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But on this most auspicious of nights, permit me then, in lieu of the more commonplace soubriquet, to suggest the character of this dramatis persona.

Voila! In view humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of fate.

This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the “vox populi” now vacant, vanished.

However, this valorous visitation of a bygone vexation stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin, van guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.

The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.

Verily this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it’s my very good honour to meet you and you may call me V.

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Old 01-31-2017, 02:20 PM   #63
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Old 01-31-2017, 08:13 PM   #64
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Yep. What he says.
 
Old 01-31-2017, 08:31 PM   #65
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Thanks Obama

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He made very valid points, but again what I keep also pointing out and beating the drum - is that all of Trump's actions have been laid forth by previous presidents, and again I didn't see such a uprising when Obama was deporting people, or also implementing what Trump is doing (which again, was initially done and suggested to Obama by his cabinet) - nobody seemed to mention, or cover that now did they?

So again, he is correct but I am going to expand on what he said at the end: They weren't asleep just in Nov, but for the past 8 years when Obama was in office. All the shit Trump is doing now, is just a continuation of Obama's policies (on immigration). So... Whats the big deal? I'm not asking that for the sake of being an asshole, I mean why all of the sudden is it such a big deal? Again, where was this outrage prior Trump?

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Just posted by RT a few hours ago too:

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Old 01-31-2017, 08:42 PM   #66
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Obama banned refugees for 6 months in 2011

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Old 02-01-2017, 09:06 AM   #67
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Jeebizz et al, please don't just "drop a link" on us without telling us what it is and what it has to say (or show). A little intro, please.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 11:47 AM   #68
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I did not want to make a separate thread, so I'll just post it in this thread - slightly relevant. So, looks like those damned peasants are causing more trouble for Soros - they were not supposed to vote against his interest after all .

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Soros’s bad bet against Trump cost his clients $1bn

George Soros’s hedge fund was one of the biggest losers of 2016, as the Hungarian-born billionaire’s misplaced investments turned into a $1 billion loss for his clients, according to a report by hedge fund investor LCH Investments, cited by Bloomberg.
 
Old 02-01-2017, 12:05 PM   #69
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Farage lambasts the EU:

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Also this:

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Old 02-01-2017, 03:19 PM   #70
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Populism and The End of The EU
 
Old 02-01-2017, 04:10 PM   #71
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Post Brexit: MPs overwhelmingly back Article 50 bill

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http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38833883

MPs have voted by a majority of 384 to allow Prime Minister Theresa May to get Brexit negotiations under way.
So basically the British Parliament has given the legal go ahead to invoke Article 50.

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Old 02-01-2017, 05:31 PM   #72
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Personally, and from an American point of view, I think that the EU folks are simply going to have to accept that there will be no "United States of Europe, with its capitol in Brussels, DC."

Their concept quickly ballooned far beyond any "trade agreement," to become a "regional 'world government'" that demanded that every Member subsume both its sovereignty and its entire national system of laws to the Collective. Then, it proceeded to make itself into "oxen unequally yoked together," and that was the beginning of its present end.

The 50 United (sic) States started out that way. The nations and kingdoms of Europe started out as – and still are – nations and kingdoms.

The European Union treaty initially marketed itself as a trade treaty, and that's what it's going to have to become. There will be no "Supreme Court of Europe." There might or might not continue to be a common currency. The EU passport might continue to be accepted at border crossings, but it should not be expected to be accepted "without limit." Countries will continue to impose limits on who may and who may not enter their borders, no matter what passport they hold, and they will continue to hold their laws supreme.

If the organizers of the EU cannot reconcile themselves to this, they will lose everything they started, "out of pure human stubbornness."

If, on the other hand, everyone is willing to sit down at the table and to re-discover their common ground, and to re-negotiate a (much smaller and less ambitious) trade union, the EU might survive for some time.

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And, even though I generally regard Trump's "America First!™" rhetoric as jingoism, it might contain a useful kernel of truth: "instead of trying to 'dumb down' every trading partner's national interest in the name of trade, instead let every trading partner put its own country, and its own citizens, 'unabashedly first.'"

If nations do this, and if they trade with the full understanding that everyone else is doing the same thing too, they will both conserve their own strength and focus their trading objectives. They will stop the present "race to the bottom" mind-set, replacing it with a model of strong partners seeking the best opportunities ... but never sacrificing their own strength in the name of opportunity, knowing that such "opportunities" are false.

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Old 02-02-2017, 12:30 PM   #73
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Personally, and from an American point of view, I think that the EU folks are simply going to have to accept that there will be no "United States of Europe, with its capitol in Brussels, DC."
A very perceptive post. The political side of the EU probably sprang from the special conditions of the six founders in 1957. The Germans felt that this would allow them a place in the international community: the German Federal Republic was only 2 years old. The French felt that this would restore their lost influence: all the institutions were based in francophone cities, for a start. The Italians felt that Brussels could hardly fail to be more competent than Rome. The Benelux countries were so insignificant that they didn't have anything to loose.

Now everyone is unhappy. The north resents subsidising the south. The south resents being lectured by the north. The east resents the tendency for France and Germany to assume that they can call the tune. The EU will survive, but it will have to change.
 
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EU is not the USA. What I think was probably not taken into account, is that in Europe you effectively have different countries, and different cultures - whereas the USA is more of a homogeneous base. Yea in the USA, it is a melting pot of cultures however at its base in all states for the most part, it is an Anglo-centric sort of ideal. In the EU, it is obviously different, you have not just the Brits, but Belgians, French, Germans, etc - so the idea of emulating the USA is just not going to fly.
 
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Perhaps the EU should shrink itself back to the six-or-so original member States Countries, and go from there.

Somewhere along the way, I think that notions of patronism took hold: "we'll save the 'little countries' from themselves." But everyone seems to have forgotten that all of them were – and still are – countries or kingdoms. Furthermore, they are of drastically different sizes and economic strengths. Tiny countries wanted to join so that their citizens could move to London, and so on.

This, to me, is simply the raw fallacy of the "trade treaty cum world government" idea. The notion that entry into a trade treaty should subsume your own national identity and with it your prerogatives that originate from sovereignty. That's complete and utter nonsense.

To me, the only sound strategy is: "Put your own nation unequivocably first, and expect every other nation with whom you trade to do the same." In this way, you have just lifted "the bar" from the floor all the way to the rafters. Now, a trade deal has become very hard to do. However, when you do it, it will be truly worth it.

London was the first to reject the EU. Across the Pond, Donald Trump deep-sixed a similar trade pact (after(!) China had already done so). And he's about to re-negotiate or to remove the US from another. To me, all of these things are very good moves that are much too long in coming. Because, "trade" is never facilitated by making your own country weaker. It is never facilitated by a Collective Decision™ that necessarily must consist of a race to the bottom, satisfying no one in the name of satisfying everyone. Every receiving country is entitled to tariffs, and every exporting country should as a matter of course expect to pay them ... and still profit. Although "a deal that truly benefits all concerned" is much, much harder to negotiate, it is the only deal worth doing.

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