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Old 02-18-2017, 02:56 AM   #16
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Is this the Donald Trump fan club or something? I'm trying to cut this man some slack, even though I dislike him, because I believe in democracy and I understand the mood of the people who put him in power. And, to give him credit, he did start out by immediately trying to put into practice the policies he was elected for. I've never seen a head of government do that before either in America or over here. But he's floundering badly now.

The trouble with trying a completely new approach to being president, is that a lot of the new untried ways of doing things don't actually work. I'm not talking about policy now, I'm talking about administration, about how you actually get things done. Trump's methods are chaotic. His appointees either can't get acceptance or resign within weeks. He's got more holes in his leading team than Jeremy Corbyn! He can't get his policies past the US courts. And the worst of it is he can't see it. He thinks he is running a "well-oiled machine".

Frankly I don't like thinking about the nuclear codes being in the hands of a man who lives his whole life in an alternative reality full of alternative facts, because you and I are going to be stuck with this reality.

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Old 02-18-2017, 08:25 AM   #17
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Then why don't we find a way to get rid of those damned "nuclear codes?" That was a Cold War thing that never should have been done in the first place (Hiroshima plus Nagasaki in a bread-box), and I don't think we actually need to keep it. It is a relic, and a dangerous one, to have someone constantly following the President around just in case Moscow suddenly launches a thousand ICBM's at us and (as humanity's last official act) the USA launches their thousand ICBM's back. Which is all of what "the nuclear football" is all about.

How much p-u-b-l-i-c ... m-o-n-e-y are we wasting on that? And, what do we get in return?

"Think Different.™"

As for having a President who has "a new approach to being President?" Who (according to the press, anyway) "tries a bunch of things that don't work?" Frankly, I think that this is precisely what the people of the country wanted, because they are fully aware that what has been done now for the past forty years, hasn't worked, either.

"The Establishment" had the Establishment candidate ready-to-go and was stunned when she didn't win. Tony Blair can't rationalize that the British people actually will abandon their "big trade agreement," either.

The American Press can't stand the thought that Donald Trump might possibly succeed, and that he might transform the Presidency in doing so. Until now, they totally controlled the popular discourse – the public's view of the President and of the Presidency. Likewise there are forces in Washington, DC who feel threatened because they've been ripping off the American taxpayer (or simply, increasing government debt by millions of dollars a minute), and, until now, everybody's been just playing along.

However, if they would just stop and think about things and start actually trying (go ahead ... try ...) to work with the man, he might actually succeed in doing things that "everyone said couldn't be done." Simply because he's saying it.

Old war hawks – (emphasis, o-l-d) – like John McCain fear him most, because they have amassed their political fortunes by "feeding the pig." The thought of a President using words like "get along with Russia" or "talk to <Anyone>" is unthinkable.

But, whose side are these people really on? Certainly not the country's.

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Old 02-18-2017, 10:00 AM   #18
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Seems so. Bye now.
 
Old 02-18-2017, 01:04 PM   #19
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No, but it's time for people to come to grips with: "This is the President you've got!"

Frankly, what I get very tired of is: "Trumpadumping.™" The endless howling of people who still cannot accept who won the election, and who, instead of giving this man so much as an inch, are fixated(!) on either kicking him out of office ... or worse.

Like it or not, you are on the same team, and this man is your Chief Executive Officer. He was put there with a popular mandate to change a lot of things, and by the way he is extremely popular, except in the press's polls. It doesn't look good to be singularly fighting against a boss that you refuse to accept.

Meanwhile, are you paying close attention to what the Congress is doing right now ... doing, no matter what color shirt they choose to wear? Well, maybe you should, because "distracting the public" is the first step in some really awful magic tricks.

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Old 02-18-2017, 01:32 PM   #20
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No, but it's time for people to come to grips with: "This is the President you've got!"

Frankly, what I get very tired of is: "Trumpadumping.™" The endless howling of people who still cannot accept who won the election, and who, instead of giving this man so much as an inch, are fixated(!) on either kicking him out of office ... or worse.

Like it or not, you are on the same team, and this man is your Chief Executive Officer. He was put there with a popular mandate to change a lot of things, and by the way he is extremely popular, except in the press's polls. It doesn't look good to be singularly fighting against a boss that you refuse to accept.

Meanwhile, are you paying close attention to what the Congress is doing right now ... doing, no matter what color shirt they choose to wear? Well, maybe you should, because "distracting the public" is the first step in some really awful magic tricks.
Quite frankly this Trump bashing is having the opposite affect in my opinion - the media still refuses to realise it and the DNC quite honestly is a hopeless cause. I am watching them very closely, and if they still insist on the same failed strategy and sticking with corporate democrats, then they have no chance.

This is interesting: The DNC Revolt over Ellison that the Corporate Media Won't Cover

Since I am way to young, I wonder if Reagan faced anything like this during his presidency. I do not know, but this is a new era because the legacy media no longer has the monopoly like they did 30 years ago to spin it without any sort of counter analysis - hence why you are seeing this 'fake news' witch hunt that I do not agree with - because I already know that the corporate legacy media will be using that for justifying the suppression of information - effectively censorship.

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Old 02-18-2017, 02:36 PM   #21
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Well, "speaking of Mr. Reagan," as a contemporary of those times I think that he was really the first President to see the Office as a motion-picture role. The people who made your movie wanted to introduce radical changes to economic principles that had served us well since the Great Depression ended – and, IMHO, to re-introduce many of the principles which caused it. Which they proceeded to do, through and including Clinton's presidency.

There were some amazing "paper successes." (Who can forget "Dot Bomb," when every kid was told that the way to fame and fortune was to dream up something-or-other, attach "dot-com" to the end of it, and then Go Public®?) Massive speculation, the removal of the Glass-Steagall Act, and a little bit of time, and here we are today:
  • A public University that I attended as an out-of-state student for $11,000 and change (about $3,000 over the course of four years if you were in-state) for my entire B.S. degree, now says here that next year's tuition for an in-state student will be $4,272 per semester, or $12,331 out-of-state. And that's just for a 12-credit hour load. Now, it takes "120 credit hours" to earn a four-year degree there. So, that's at least a $42,700 or $123,310 piece of vellum in your hands . . . actually far more, since "tuition is only the beginning of the expense." In round numbers, your degree's going to cost you out-the-door about 1.45 times that amount. (Some say, "about 3.5 times.")
  • You can't go to the doctor or to the hospital. There is no "public hospital." The hospital exists to make a profit, and the only way you can pay for it is to buy insurance from a separate company who would make more profit if you were dead than if you were cured ... and, as I personally saw with my father and my uncle, is perfectly capable of putting you in the ground to save $850.
  • It is far more attractive to purchase labor from half a world away, and to keep them in conditions of indentured servitude for three years, than to hire a citizen if that citizen had a college education – which he can no longer practically afford to do.
  • "Pawn shops everywhere." Why lend money at 4% to 6% as a "bank" when you as a "finance company" can fund loan-sharks who get 3,500% interest?
  • It's far more profitable to build your next factory "anywhere else but at home."
  • ...
  • ...
  • ... and our present leaders (those who still can't comprehend that their side lost) act completely mystified at the thought that people might want change.

It will not be easy nor quick – this President has rightly said that he "has inherited a mess, a mess that has been with us for a long time," and he's exactly right. But I think that, most of all, people want this "mess" to be dealt with. And they don't want it to be dealt with by conventional thinking that only perpetuated the grievances of the past four decades.

To me, the "Trumpadumpers" are just in denial – not only of a political loss, but of the entire political situation which has been curdling at their hands for all this time. But they're also refusing to be team players, and, to me, that means they have also ceased to be leaders.

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Old 02-18-2017, 07:14 PM   #22
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It will not be easy nor quick – this President has rightly said that he "has inherited a mess, a mess that has been with us for a long time," and he's exactly right. But I think that, most of all, people want this "mess" to be dealt with. And they don't want it to be dealt with by conventional thinking that only perpetuated the grievances of the past four decades.
Well then he has his work cut out for him, and I imagine he is going to make more and more powerful enemies actually:

H.A. Goodman - TILLERSON FIRES DEEP STATE SHADOW GOVERNMENT AT STATE DEPARTMENT: 7th Floor Experiences Layoffs
H.A. Goodman - WIKILEAKS VAULT 7 WILL EXPOSE CIA DEEP STATE: WikiLeaks Publicizes Deep State Shadow Government

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To me, the "Trumpadumpers" are just in denial – not only of a political loss, but of the entire political situation which has been curdling at their hands for all this time. But they're also refusing to be team players, and, to me, that means they have also ceased to be leaders.
I have a feeling that they are paid protests most likely backed by Soros, and the usual establishment democrat side. If Trump keeps bypassing the legacy media and communicates directly to the population, I think it will be hard if not impossible for him to lose. It would have to be some sort of major scandal or fsck up on his part, and I still yet to see any grounds for impeachment as much as the left would like.

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Old 02-18-2017, 07:37 PM   #23
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Seems so. Bye now.
Classic, lol!
 
Old 02-18-2017, 07:42 PM   #24
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H.A. Goodman - DEMOCRATS UNITE WITH CIA, NSA: DNC Would Rather Empower Deep State Than Fix Corruption
 
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President Trump is mired within the " SWAMP " that is Washington, D.C. where everything is about backstabbing and dirty tricks!!
 
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President Trump is mired within the " SWAMP " that is Washington, D.C. where everything is about backstabbing and dirty tricks!!
But, then again, he made billions of dollars in two other similar swamps: Atlantic City, and New York!

So, maybe part of Washington's beef is that this man actually wasn't born yesterday.

Could it be that a man like this is bearing exactly the elixir that Washington, DC desperately needs to drink?

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Old 02-18-2017, 10:45 PM   #27
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Trump labels the news media and his opponents as "dishonest" and "liars", then turns around and says so many things that are verifiably untrue. Reminds me of when, as kids, we used to say, "It takes one to know one!"

(Sigh.) On the one side, we have those who believe that Trump will "Make America Great Again". On the other side, those who feel that Trump stokes hatred, fear, and divisiveness.

Interesting times, for sure. Kick back, relax, and pass the popcorn; the show's only just beginning.
 
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Well, I've rumbled you now, Sundial! You're actually a traditional Democrat, sore and alienated because your party has been taken over by rich metrosexual liberals who are only interested in political correctness and don't understand the Democratic Party's working-class roots. You would have voted for FDR if you'd had the chance. Probably for Sanders too.

It's a nice illustration of my thesis that modern populism doesn't honour the traditional left-right boundary. Whether a particular populist party or politician falls on the left or the right side of that boundary seems to be largely accidental. Because in terms of the old politics, most people would say that Trump aligns with Reagan.
 
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Thumbs down Democrat party, bunch of hypocrits backed by corporate money

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Well, I've rumbled you now, Sundial! You're actually a traditional Democrat, sore and alienated because your party has been taken over by rich metrosexual liberals who are only interested in political correctness and don't understand the Democratic Party's working-class roots. You would have voted for FDR if you'd had the chance. Probably for Sanders too.
Of course he is rumbled, and I am too even though I never considered myself a democrat. If you look back and see the abuse Bernie supporters faced, and dig deeper it is clear that those big-heads at the DNC did everything they could to cheat Sanders out of the election. Remember, here you also have groups that try to even deny candidates appearing at debates. Well, sounds a bit fishy to me then.

I also keep pointing out that the DNC is still on the same path, and refusing any criticism of themselves citing that it is 'too divisive' - yea well the truth hurts but that is what they need.

I guess though what is most amusing is the sheer fact how much money was thrown at Trump, and they just lost badly not only they lost they were humiliated and rightfully so. Personally though I do not see any use in sticking with this party if I were a democrat, again I would bee looking into the 'Justice Democrats' - though again I think the nomenclature is rather cheesy but oh well. I hope they are successful and taking over the party. Also a note - it wasn't taken over by rich metrosexual liberals, but effectively taken over by corporate donors. This is why you see the party skirt around the issue of not taking any corporate money - which is another thing the Justice Democrats have pledged not to do.

Also again about Sanders, I feel bad for the guy because at one end he is ridiculed - but then the very same party that ridicules him asks him about his own email list for help. Pfff!

And now a slight change of topic - but still relevant:

H.A. Goodman - CIA $600 MILLION CONTRACT WITH WASHINGTON POST OWNER: Julian Assange Tweets CIA WaPo Connection

Article link mentioned by Goodman: https://medium.com/@SarahRRunge/amaz...02e#.7nm638c8k

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Mccarthyism 2.0

RT - 'MSM hate Trump because he is shaking up status quo' (I am beginning to love RT more and more now ) I wonder how much more the MSM can keep this up, until they are just yelling to an empty room. Viewership has already dropped and keeps dropping, and again people are looking towards alternate sources (probably not RT), but they aren't listening to THEM anymore, and man do they hate it .

Lionel Nation - Conspiracy Theory: Trump Was the Only One Who Could Beat Hillary and Is Pence’s Stalking Horse
 
  


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