So I do not know anyone's view yet on the incident but this is my

Milo Yiannopoulos - was invited by college Republicans to speak - whether one agrees with him or not - at this point we have no choice but to consider the fundamentals here (yes, sad that it is come to that), and at Berkeley no less.

Clearly the event was cancelled by quite honestly hooligans (Antifa) - and what is more disturbing the people on the left that would perhaps be considered more sensible, did nothing. At this point - I do have to ask myself, what country am I living in again?

And again, this is at Berkeley - So is debate dead, thats it? Any sort of opposing view, and you are the problem? At least that is what Antifa seems to think so - ok, so do they not realise at this point THEY ARE THE BLOODY FASCISTS!?

This is NOT of some case being able to yell fire in a theater. So, at this point I have to ask, is freedom of speech at this point, negotiable? Is it just limited to only a few? Is having a debate THAT much threatening?

I have seen quite a few lectures from this Milo guy (NO - I am not going to post any this time) - and what even I see is that, this is some how his fault? Please explain - HOW? Whether you agree with him or not - I do not see him actually inciting any sorts of violence - and he seems to be willing to debate, but there is none.

So, is this how one opposes someone else's view? I did not vote Trump - yet there are those that say - your vote is a 'hate crime' - and the constant idiocy about how Trump is dividing everyone - and Trump supporters are violent - um , ok but I do not see Trump supporters wrecking private and public property. The right to assemble peacefully and speak freely, has been successfully suppressed.

To the more sensible Trump detractors - how does these actions help your cause in any way? To the extremists (I am just speaking aloud since they won't see this) - YOU'RE THE PROBLEM!

I said I will not post any lectures form Milo, but I do have something else to post which I feel is relevant.

Mouthy Buddha - Dear Antifa (from a liberal)
Milo on FOX - Milo: Media legitimizes violence on conservatives

Second link is NOT any lecture, it is just his reaction after - and sorry he is correct.

Oh, I miss the days when the Airplane was taking off in People's Park, and volunteers along Telegraph Avenue were passing out flyers for the next demonstration when hiking down to the Jabberwocky Coffee Shop to see the new band "Country Joe and the Fish" or a John Fahey performance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jabberwock_(club)

I can only hope that current similar demonstrations with similar intensity take hold nationwide, like those days when the US government forgot about listening to US citizens. After a few years back then, the government did have to listen, but I have no expectation the current jerk-in-chief handlers will ever allow us to leave the current path of self-destruction.

I do not know about that (about the Jazz club) - but I am more focused on UC Berkeley, and university campuses in general. At this point, is debate - dead? What happened? Everything I was told about right-wingers, I see the left doing. I am myself neither conservative - or just outright liberal - I don't give a shit (pardon my language) if two men or two women want to marry - great, go for it , does not affect me at all - but at the same time - when did it become taboo to disagree with someone? Again, I am not in university anymore, but I also I believe that a university should challenge ones self - if you want a safe space, you go to say a mental ward. If there is no debate on both sides, then why should I even bother to go out to the polls, if whoever I choose I then get the possibility to get beaten up or worse?

I actually came from a Soviet bloc country (in 86) - and what I am being told at this point from my dad, we are pretty much headed towards a leftist mentality, no different than the Soviet Satellite state. Vote and think one way, or face the consequences - sure the right-wing fascist of say the Nat. Soc. of Germany or Fascists of Italy at the time had this tactics, but is it not ironic what you see here today - the far left - HAS ADOPTED THE EXACT SAME TACTICS THEY CLAIM TO OPPOSE!?

At this point, if I have to outright justify my own views and my vote to someone - ok then whats the difference?

This time this whole PC culture has pretty much gone too far. It is one thing, not to attack someone for one's race, sexual orientation, etc - but, if someone is attacked for having a different view - and the only answer is violence , well.....................................How is that not fascism in it's own right? Or am I missing something here?

It is not just the right either - those on the left (particularly comedians - Bill Maher, and even Jerry Seinfeld) - again refuse to even play colleges now. Why is that?

I often wonder, would even someone like the great George Carlin be able to play a show at a university these days?

So my question again is this - is debating done? Is that it? I HAVE to think a certain way now? Ok, so what separates you then(the 'outraged' liberal) from a Nazi dictatorship or a Commie dictatorship like the PRC and DPRK? How are you even a 'liberal' at that point?

Should freedom of speech then be treated either as a case-by-case basis - or restricted only to a certain group? Are these idiots' position THAT weak, that if someone with a differing view merely says one thing, without any vulgarity , any vitriol - and they are automatically a 'bigot', 'racist', etc? Based on what?

You know, I would have at one point considered this hyperbole - but now hindsight is 20/20....................................

This pretty much sums up the SJW/PC mentality:
Neel Kolhatkar - #Equality
Neel Kolhatkar - Modern Educayshun




"I weep, for the future."

Neel Kolhatkar - Purification - All I can say is......Wow.......This person is on the money - this is supposed to be comical - but the fact that we are practically headed this way - it isn't funny - it is rather disturbing..

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At this point, this guy has a few more videos I would recommend checking out - but one more:
Neel Kolhatkar - Left vs. Right Wing TV Shows

But also: "for Pete's sake, stop blaming everything on Donald Trump!"

He got elected, fair and square, and Hillary Clinton lost the same way. That decision has already been made and implemented.

He might be a most-unusual Officeholder, but he holds the Office notwithstanding.

There are a lot of things that need to be cleaned-up and it's going to take a lot of "coming together as one people" to do it ... both here and internationally. There are no excuses for violence, and violence won't be tolerated.

You have the Constitutional right to peaceably assemble, and to speak. You have no Constitutional mandate for disturbing the peace, nor for posing a threat (real or perceived ...) to any other person.

In other words: "Be a grown-up here."

And if you don't know how to do that on the Berkeley college campus, ask your Dad.

This has been going on longer than that - and besides, we all know it is Putin's fault .

So about Milo - according to his detractors, he is a white supremacist bigot - but - rather difficult to be that if he happens to be gay right? I mean, I do not know of any gay Klan members or something. Anyhow - the times I have seen him speak - if you look passed his theatricality - some of his views are sensible, thats not to say he does not have any offensive views - but last I checked the Klan were violent, and still dangerous - Milo - is not.

Oh, there is also this organisation here - lets see who were they again - ah right, the ACLU:

So uh, what have they been up to lately? Where was the ACLU? They defended the Klan for fsck's sake, a group that has clearly violent views! Or maybe is their job done? Which then brings me back to my earlier question - is it just free speech for some? Maybe the ACLU does not have a-CLUE about free speech anymore?

Maybe I just answered my own question:

Moving out of Berkeley for a bit - look at social media platforms - the sheer hypocrisy at this point. On any platform, there are obviously terms of service - there are limits on what one says - or posts. Milo is banned from twitter - I dug around - honestly - seems tame - tame compared to the anti-Trumpers out there - from bottom to top - bottom after the election results - you have people calling for either a race war, or assassination of Trump - not much being done - celebrities calling for what would amount as a violent overthrow - they are not banned - but, Milo is? Double standard much?

So then I guess we have to redefine what free speech is, and clearly it is only allowed for some.

Also what is a liberal? Does that not have to be redefined too? If one states they are a liberal - but then does everything to shut down someone else, are they a selective liberal?

When Milo has to now rely on private security - and Milo is still shut down - AND the admins. at Depaul Uni. instructed the police to not interfere - which they were there to not just protect the protesters - but also Milo - they were told to give preference against Milo, isn't that I dunno, one-sided?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ont-intervene/

I agree. One should blame the masses that support his point of view. There is something terribly off with pissed off white American house wives and their Husbands.

But Waco, Ruby Ridge, Flint Michigan drinking water, Too big to fail with Sherrifs evicting you out onto the street?
That violence will be tolerated. Like This?

What a wonderment? I was told in another thread on how I fail to see things. It takes all kinds , I guess.

I could care less about a demonstration violence against a know Facist agitator. What he has to say has all been said before.
From the KKK to the Nazis. Common sense rules here, on the Mexican border. The desert does not suffer foolishness.

Not like the trees and babbling brooks from the heartland.

I know you are kidding. But you can sound a bit twisted to me sometimes.

I mean. Really twisted.

I might have to quit coming to forums and helping out for the next 4 years. The stress here can't be good for my aura.

There are those that still think some how it was the Russians (again see Keith Olbermann's meltdown) - dems do everything they can to cheat Sanders because 'muh Clinton' - she loses because reasons - now it is the Russians, Bernie Bros , sexists.... Not because Clinton was just outright shit - And I'm the twisted one?


I do not recall Milo calling for some sort of reprisal from the whites - or lynchings or whatever - he is a conservative - so thats twisted? I happen to want at least some level of degree say when it does come to borders - imagine that, since I again was not even born here - but nope , I guess that is twisted.

The more the monster this Milo guy is made out to be, I can't help but want to see what else he has to say - sound familiar? Remember - how did Trump get elected? He was quite demonised was he not? This is also interesting:

Here's How THIS "Social Justice" Action Backfired

So, lets call this the Trump Effect - Interest in Milo has inevitably gone up - and well I cannot help but be curious myself. I would like to congratulate the violent protesters - *claps* good job. You REALLY are hurting Milo - poor guy's book sales for Dangerous is skyrocketing - and it is not even out yet.

I really do not know if you are being facetious here or letting your inner SJW to reveal itself. I am probably taking your comments too seriously and out of context perhaps - so that is on me and I apologise - but I do hope that statement was in jest.

I jest and bull pucky a lot. I am a class clown by my very nature. So never take me too seriously.

Yes. Conservatives are twisted in my way of thinking. But I like helping everyone, everywhere.

This me me me stuff is not me.

Edit: sometimes I fix motrcycles for free. I decide on whether they have the funds or not or what kind of human being they are. If they are selfish. Then it is a no go. It is probably why I am not a rich in wealth person.

Well played sir - and thank you for pretty much keeping me on my toes then (yes really). So, do not change that about yourself now!

A side not of my 'twisted' sense of humour - before going back to the main subject at hand(Milo/Berkeley). As I mentioned I came from pretty much a commie nation - my dad left first - pretty much risked his own life - then sent for us - (had I been North Korean - well then, there obviously wouldn't be a Jeebizz here, so luckily nothing happened to us - because of well the reprisals that defectors' families face there and all) - but here is the point I am trying to make about my twisted humour .

I was at a place selling movies and other things with a buddy - and they had a section of posters - anime, movie and misc posters. I came across one, and I bought because well, I thought it was comical:


Showed both mom and dad - and they also thought it comical - I think this also goes more towards my views about PC - 'somethings you should not joke about' - well , I disagree - again I find that poster funny, that is why I bought it - and especially my dad - he didn't go off on me on a tirade about his views - I already knew his stance on communism - otherwise, why would he have risked his life to leave? Thats all I just wanted to point out.

Oh and I have a 'Chairman Meow' shirt too - wore that at my workplace (bus. casual setting) - everyone thought that was funny too - so yea I will agree now, I am pretty twisted.

Now - back to the subject at hand - I came across this guy (and I have seen him on RT before) - and I think he has summed up the Berkeley incident rather nicely - it is a 30min video, but he hits some good points (straying a bit though with Soros though - whether or not that is really the case being a Soros backed group....dunno)

Michael Wm. Lebron(Lionel Nation) - The Sickening Truth About the Berkeley Riots: Alt-Left Liberalism Is Terrorism

Some Black Guy (no, thats his youtube name) - Riots and Rejection of Free Speech at UC Berkeley (makes you think huh? )
Rebel Media - Why Leftists Are Real Fascists

While further perusing - I came across this too: https://www.change.org/p/president-o...t-organization as of right now 38,308 supporters.

Well, I enjoyed the jaw jacking today. Only reason I posted so much and spoke my druthers.

I am having a Ben Gay day and am stoved up from hard work outdoors all week long. I feel like I was at football practice for a week. Which probably makes me irritable and a PITA to boot.

As soon as I heal up. I will probably shut my pie hole again. I broke my new years resolution about posting in General about politics and other stuff. But I was bored and sore out here in bike shop drinking beer and I have a couple of wireless desktops to alieve the boredom in my cozy chair in front of my dusty desk.

99% of my music thread posts come off of those 2 computers . The one on the rolling stand is a Linux-Lite box. Hence the Ubuntu Logo when I post. The other is AntiX music box. Both are wireless going through steel walls to my house router yards away. I use a booster cb antenna in line with my usb wireless N dongles.

So If I don't reply guys. Don't take it personal. I am just explaining why I did what I did today.
I will be a quieter member after I heal up by Monday or so.

My latest project.

Happy Trails and don't take things too seriously, Rok

Well then yea, no political discussions for you then - But seriously take it easy



I like to think I don't, since I try to post stuff that have a comical tone .

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Now, I know I mentioned this Sargon of Akkad obviously as well but - well he also raises some good points:

Sargon of Akkad - Punching Nazis at the UC Berkeley Riots

So after watching that video - I suppose during the Cold War (again I am fairly young and I don't really know that much on the atmosphere of that time) - I would still gather that there was some anti-communist sentiment - though perhaps not AS violent... Still I came across something interesting:

https://historicbadass.panjury.com/v...63728080742850

So, I again think it is safe to say that me and particularly my parents would not have any sympathies towards Communists - but - nor would they probably condone 'punching' one on the street here for absolutely no reason, other than they just happen to be a commie - let alone killing one - Why? Well, first one would be assault without provocation even if said Commie is yes a scumbag, but if they did nothing to physically threaten me, no reason to obviously hit him(which at this point is ironically moot, since you see their actions - but I digress). Second action - I would be going to jail for murder - and then I would also be guilty of depriving their right (ironic yes, but this again is how it is supposed to work). I don't like Communists - I do not have to listen to them, thats all I don't need to punch one - same with a NAZI - I'm just going to do something perhaps these SJWs never thought of (two things actually) either debate them to oppose their views/ideology or ......*gasp* Ignore and not listen to them, and just walk away.... I know right?

Maybe these 'protesters' would actually learn something - but, nope - emotion trumps(no pun intended) l-o-g-i-c.