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Old 03-27-2017, 02:13 PM   #1
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[US-Politics] Internet-enabled reality, vs. Media-promoted propaganda


"We really do 'live in interesting times!™'"

For instance, the tireless Librarians of Congress, each and every day(!), provide an exhaustive record of everything that occurred ... on the Floor, and in any and every committee ... in the US Congress, every day.

The resources are out there:
So, why don't we (for example) "get to the bottom of" this "Obamacare repeal thing?"

Why, a few mouse-clicks might lead us to this web address, where we can read the full and actual text of(!) H.R.1628. (And, everything else relating to it!)

Hmmm ...

Okay, let's skip the "summary," which appears to be a political / media "Mexican jumping bean" since I observe that it has been re-written since yesterday. So, let's be brave and jump straight to the actual text of the thing.

Heh... there it is. (And, be warned: this also changes almost every day.) The concept of "stability funds."

Quote:
("Ooh! Oooh! Ooooh!!" Uncle Sugar™ is gonna pay for <<this>>!" C'mon! Let's make 100% of our business 'unstable!')

- - - c'mon, what would you do? (Duh.)
Yep... these folks are the masters of the "low-ball." (Last Friday's online version was much more explicit ...) The bottom-line concept is that Federal money will now be paid ... artfully redirected "through the States" ... to "private, for-profit(!) insurance companies."

... basically, to shore-up the holes in the glorious "for-profit(!)" pictures that they are able to present to their shareholders.

Yes, the bottom line is that your taxpayer-money, being paid directly to still "for-profit" companies, for them to do with as they see fit. The US Government provides the money(!) to fill the holes in their financial picture, yet it does not exercise any control whatsoever to go along with its money!

... uhh ... and, by the way, your uncle just died because the Insurance Company would not approve the drug that would have saved his life, instructing his doctors to administer a "less expensive" drug, instead. (Yes, this reasoning did kill my uncle, and it would have killed my father, too, had our family not possessed ... about $800 ... the price, to some actuary someplace, of my father's life.)

Fundamentally, notice that this bill was never the "the PPACA is hereby repealed" piece of legislation that the Media tirelessly put it out to be.

Fortunately, Paul Ryan's colleagues saw through this (and other things), and made it quite clear that it could never pass their vote.

"And so, 'this is what The Media will never tell you ... but that The Internet (and dedicated Librarians) make it possible for you to readily discover."

- - -

"Media" ... vs. ... "Discovery."

We Live In Interesting Times.™

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Ladies and Gentlemen, "today, we can see the truth for ourselves," just as the authors of the US Constitution imagined, albeit to a degree that they could never conceive.

(And I daresay that the same is also true in your country, too!)

"The truth shall make us free." Let us therefore make the most of it.

... "the media" b'damned.

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"Yes, the 'truth' might make us free," but we might find the pablum of the Media much more agreeable."

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Old 03-27-2017, 03:52 PM   #2
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Ha! The media is the problem? This had nothing to do with Trump and Ryan?

The media never put it out as a repeal - they put it out as a piece of crap. For once both the extreme right and the left agreed on something even if their reasoning was from opposite ends of the spectrum. The left felt it was going to kill more people and the right felt it didn't go far enough in repealing things. The end result is this repeal even with Trump's "ultimatum" didn't happen. Curious how Trump now says he'll work with them on another bill even though his ultimatum essentially said if they didn't pass this one there wouldn't be another one.

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As I stated before, the danger in this is this gives the excuse for censorship. You are already seeing corporate goons trying to take over Youtube. You can see their content without having to be logged in, and some of it can be content that would be considered mature - but majority of anyone else has all their videos completely unavailable, or very limited amount - even if the content is completely safe. EU is also trying to impose it's own form of censorship with Facebook, it is going to be the modern version of Ministry of Truth. I think this thread relates very much to mine, and perhaps should be merged into my thread about the media and politics, only to not to have already too many political threads (majority my fault)
 
Old 03-27-2017, 05:00 PM   #4
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If those out there really like facebook and twitter and such, I would consider moving from facebook to minds.com as an alternative, and candid for an alternative to twitter.
 
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The left felt it was going to kill more people and the right felt it didn't go far enough in repealing things. The end result is this repeal even with Trump's "ultimatum" didn't happen.
... and yet, if you look at the actual bill, you can quite-plainly see that it was never(!) as either(!) side – as we have been told – said it would be!

Shrewd students of "mass psychology" that they are, the "manipulator prestidigitators" presented us with a faux choice: a classic "magician's trick." The "left-hand" is pure throw-away – "kill more people." Whereas the "right-hand," appearing (if only "by the process of elimination") to be "truth," in fact contains the actual deception.

(Magic-trick 101: "if you present something in your left hand that the audience will automatically reject, they will automatically accept anything that you have in your right hand!)

Remember that "the presumption, going into this thing," was that "the bill" would, in fact, turn out to be "repeal." (And, in fact, you have never yet read even one(!) news-story that ever mentioned, or even suggested, that this bill introduced(!) anything!)

And so, the purposely deceptive "right-hand statement," having been duly deflected by "kill more people," is that "the bill does not repeal enough."

But the truth, as so-artfully contrived by Paul Ryan and his cronies, is quite different. Although the actual text of the bill contains a handful of "repeals," it also "enacts!" It's all right there under "Premium Stabilization."

In fact, Ryan's true aim was to open "Uncle Sugar's flood-gates of money" for his insurance-corporate friends sponsors, without subjecting them to even one ounce of "Uncle Sugar's oversight!"

It takes zero imagination to understand what insurance companies would have done next: "one hundred fifty percent of their premiums" would, of course, be declared "unstable!" Anything and everything necessary to "plug themselves firmly (and forever ..) into Uncle Sugar's money-teat." All while continuing to screw you for premiums. ("Hey, Uncle Sugar is paying, but he isn't regulating!")

Heh heh heh ...

Members of the House of Representative have, in fact, seen "these kinds of shenanigans" from Paul Ryan before. (He truly is "a snake in the grass," beholden to no one but himself.) They summoned up the solidarity to make it sufficiently clear to him that they would not be strong-armed (literally ...) into signing their names to a bad piece of legislation ...

... as you can, in fact, "see for yourself."

- - -

Now that Ryan's document has once-again failed, Congress is now confronted with "what to do." Will Trump, at some future date, lead them toward the "US National Health Service?" We shall see.

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Old 03-28-2017, 07:25 AM   #6
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... and yet, if you look at the actual bill, you can quite-plainly see that it was never(!) as either(!) side – as we have been told – said it would be!

Shrewd students of "mass psychology" that they are, the "manipulator prestidigitators" presented us with a faux choice: a classic "magician's trick." The "left-hand" is pure throw-away – "kill more people." Whereas the "right-hand," appearing (if only "by the process of elimination") to be "truth," in fact contains the actual deception.

(Magic-trick 101: "if you present something in your left hand that the audience will automatically reject, they will automatically accept anything that you have in your right hand!)

Remember that "the presumption, going into this thing," was that "the bill" would, in fact, turn out to be "repeal." I daresay you have never read a single story which says that Ryan's bill enacted anything new.

And so, the purposely deceptive "right-hand statement," having been duly deflected by "kill more people," is that "the bill does not repeal enough." But the truth, as so-artfully contrived by Paul Ryan and his cronies, is quite different. Although the actual text of the bill contains a handful of "repeals," it also creates something. It's all hidden there under "Premium Stabilization."

Friday's version was much more explicit: federal money is paid directly to insurance companies. Monday's version says the same thing more obliquely. But it's quite evident that Ryan's true aim was to open "Uncle Sugar's flood-gates of money" for his insurance-corporate friends sponsors, without subjecting them to even one ounce of "Uncle Sugar's oversight!"

It takes zero imagination to understand what insurance companies would have done next: "one hundred fifty percent of their premiums" would, of course, be declared "unstable!" Anything and everything necessary to "plug themselves firmly (and forever ..) into Uncle Sugar's money-teat." All while continuing to screw you for premiums. ("Hey, Uncle Sugar is paying, but he isn't regulating!")

Heh heh heh ...

Members of the House of Representative have, in fact, seen "these kinds of shenanigans" from Paul Ryan before. (He truly is "a snake in the grass," beholden to no one but himself.) They summoned up the solidarity to make it sufficiently clear to him that they would not be strong-armed (literally ...) into signing their names to a bad piece of legislation ...

... as you can, in fact, "see for yourself."

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Now that Ryan's document has once-again failed, Congress is now confronted with "what to do." Will Trump, at some future date, lead them toward the "US National Health Service?" We shall see.
 
  


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