My dad told me the same thing 8 years ago. He practically ran away illegally from a communist state, and has warned me just how bad that the democrats have become. This 'collective' mentality, refusal to acknowledge reality - and how everything they do and say is correct and cannot be ever criticised, or the race card is played against you, etc etc. So basically now, it is a back-and-forth between the far left and far right perhaps. As I was alluding to in other threads, I do not blame Trump supporters for Trump - I blame the last 8 years, and the idiotic liberal left for this, its their fault we got Trump. I again try to stay in the middle instead, perhaps maybe that is also my mistake? Its just what I see and what I have concluded to though as the result of the situation that we are in right now.

Well I never been out to any protests of any kind, nor do I ever engage in any sort of in person activism. I prefer my own place from afar, and just throw proverbial rocks at both sides, seems the safest place for me at least.

There are no good guys left in the world. The lesser of two evils is still evil.

The world is circling the drain and there is no place left to hide. It's time to get off the fence and pick teams boys and girls.

The wife and I didn't like the way the world was going, decided to retreat from it and moved in to the full time RV, work camping, semi-retired lifestyle; spending lots of time in out of the way places.

We were at it for about 3 months when we were attacked on the interstate by a hispanic MS13 gang banger. I got a good look at him. He got away.

I did *nothing* to provoke him.

He threw a tire bomb at us. (Glass bottle full of nails and screws; something he had ready, which means he was cruising for a target.)

We suffered a catastrophic, instantaneous de-tread, losing about half the tire instantly and rolled 3.5x.

The only thing that saved my life is the fact that I was in an old Detroit hunk of US steel with a headache bar on the flatbed. The wife walked away with bruises.

My neck is broken in two places. My dens is dislocated. I have an as yet untreated hematoma in the C1 space with the dens and the brain stem. I think I had an ischemic brain stem stroke. My life will never be the same again. I am suffering from a range of neurological issues; including the early signs of dementia.

I cannot get comprehensive medical treatment. The only doctors that will see me are ER doctors b/c I do not have health insurance. I do not have health insurance b/c my neck is broken and I cannot work. Doctors that accept cash payments that I cannot afford do not see car wreck victims. Doctors who see car wreck victims only accept patients with health insurance.

I have applied for disability. It usually takes 2-3 years to get it. If I can even get it at all since I cannot get in to see a long term care doctor to examine me and write up a report of what's wrong with me and how it has effected me so that I can qualify for disability.

And, even if by some miracle I manage to qualify for disability with only the records from the ER, it will still most likely be 2-3 years before I will get medicaid so I can see a long term care doctor. And my prognosis becomes less treatable, less changeable as every day passes.

I did government security for 15 years. I put my life on the life to protect this nation and the people in it. I have guarded President Obama. And even though I really didn't like the guy I would have done my job and died to protect him. I have also guarded nuclear weapons and the physical storage mediums for the cryptographic algorithms that underpin *all* US military communication.

I got used to running high and tight and kept it up even after I went semi-retired. It's just easier to take care of.

Since I did nothing to provoke the guy and he was obviously cruising for targets, my wife is 100% convinced that the reason he chose us is because I'm old, fat, white and looked like a cop. Which is not an unreasonable assumption. Cops are getting lured in to ambushes and executed on the streets now. She is so convinced that I am letting my hair grow and shaving only once a week now so that I don't look like a pig any more.

Evil is evil. I'm no fan of Trump. But, some times you have to fight fire with fire. At least the current brand of evil claims to be on the side of people that look like me. Only time will tell if that is actually true.

But, in all this F*d up mess that's probably about the best I'm going to get.

Keep your head down and watch not only your 6 but the 6 of everyone you love.

i really hope it works this way, i really do.

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As I've said in other threads: there are no "Democrats" or "Republicans," only "Americans."

The current situation is like two drowning dogs fighting in an open box ... when any one or both of the damned fools could at any time simply hop out of the box and find themselves in waist-deep calm water a few yards from the shore.

The USA finds itself in a situation where open political discussion and the finding of common ground did not take place for many decades. Suddenly there is a new Chief Executive who is extremely polarizing. Suddenly, "the other party" is the root of all evil, although you could never identify someone on the street as being either. And, through it all, "no one is getting any work done.

Political improvement won't happen at the hands of people who are dog-fighting in a sinking box. The campaigns are over. It's time to get to work. Together.

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Also: "Expect propaganda." That other-dog with which you are fighting could easily be "WowWee CHiP," or "Eliza." If you let yourself act like a gullible fool, you'll be played for one.

[...chirp, ...chirp, ...chirp]

Wow the cacophonous outpouring of human empathy is deafening in its silence.

You jack wagons sitting here vomiting all over yourselves really want to know why Trump won? Look in the mirror.

Stories like ours have happened by the hundreds of thousands over the last 30 years, and they always get the same reaction from leftist tards: Dead silence.

I have no use for trash; native or imported. And I'm not talking about some dumb kid with a joint. I'm talking about human beings who prey on and victimize other human beings; rapists, murders, terrorist, the worst of the worst. I have spent my life standing up to them in your name, even if you never knew it, because you are too weak to do it.

I have directly saved approximately 35 lives in my career. I have jailed approximately 300 predators and by extension indirectly made a lot of lives better b/c those predators could not prey on innocents in the streets while they were in a box. In return for my efforts on your behalf I suffered, through several different instances, two spinal injuries and a separated left shoulder that left me with a 19% whole body permanent partial disability that causes me to be in pain every moment of every day and will for the rest of my life, multiple stabs wounds and three days in an ICU with a chest tube due to a partially collapsed right lung. You're welcome you ungrateful little jack wagons.

Trash should be taken out. Native trash should be executed. Non-native trash should be excluded. If that exclusion process inconveniences some people then too bad, so sad. Coming to America is a privilege, not a right. You have to earn it.

And I'm sure many (if not most) of you silent (here) majority are sitting at home screaming at your screen about how I deserve having my neck broken, my wife nearly killed, our home, our vehicle and 80% of our stuff destroyed b/c I'm white and all white people are bad and I need to pay for all the crimes of all white people b/c I am personally responsible for them. Or I deserved to have a poor, wittle, disenfranchised, (probably) undocumented imagwent, tatted up predator try to savagely and brutally murder me and my wife (who has never hurt a fly in her life) b/c, ya know; karma. After all, all pigs are bad and I must have subjected or abused or otherwise some how violated somebodies safe space during the course of my career and I somehow earned this attack and it was just justice and the universe making things right.

To you I say: Go F yourself.

I have stepped up and put my money where my mouth is. I have stepped in to the breach. I have looked death in the eye **on your behalf**. I have lived a life in service to my fellow man. I have put my life and my body on the line in service of my fellow man. WTF have you done?

And I have no doubt that if the shoe were on the other foot and and I was some poor wittle imagwent that was attacked by some neo-nazi scumbag that you'd be puking all over yourselves to have him hung up by his testicles and trying to send me enough money to put my whole extended family through college debt free.

Like the man in the song said:

Keep Fn pushing us. You ain't seen nothing yet. You think Trump is bad, go ahead, make him a two week president. Just wait for my neck to heal so I can drive a tank.

I know a guy who can have me a tank delivered anywhere in the US with $4,000,000 cash and one week's notice.

Keep Fn pushing us. You ain't seen nothing yet. You think Trump is bad, go ahead, make him a two week president and I don't think my buddy will care how much cash I have as long as I'm driving the tank on his side.

what a ... cacophonous outpour...

only deafening silence can follow something like that.

anyhow, this was my original question anyway:

PS:
Steven_G, please don't burst an artery.
get some rest, drink some warm milk.

Actually, it's not just what Trump did that infuriates people. It's the way that he did it. Doing something of that kind could be justified (if not in any way that would appease Social Justice Warriors) as something the American public voted for. After all, we all believe in democracy, don't we? But it needed to be worked out with knowledgeable people so that it could actually work in the real world, not dashed off instantly by someone who, by his own admission, has no idea at all how things are done. How much harm would it have done to take a couple of weeks doing that?

For a start, retrospective legislation always causes more trouble than it is worth. Refusing entry to people who had already received entry permits or had US residency makes nonsense of the idea of law. The order should have been properly drawn up to exclude these. Excluding citizens of allied countries who just happened to have been born in Iraq or Somalia would also have been a good idea. As it was, Trump had to back-pedal on this, and it made him look stupid (well, he is stupid, but why make it that obvious?)

As to refugees, there are international laws covering those, to which the USA is a signatory. So excluding them point-blank is probably illegal. Trump should have taken a leaf out of the British wartime government's book. Hitler did smuggle in some spies of his own among the Jewish refugees who came to Britain. So did the UK exclude all refugees? No, they did not! They landed the refugees in a quiet part of Scotland and questioned them, politely but thoroughly. Those whose stories were found to contain contradictions were sent to the Isle of Man for the duration. My father was one of those refugees and he was very impressed with the whole procedure. Britain was fighting for its life then (which the USA is not really doing right now). Yet they still managed to square their defence needs with their duty towards genuine refugees. By all means make sure that self-styled refugees are the genuine article, but blanket bans are surely unacceptable.

The same. Former USMC Jarhead with a honorable discharge. But I did not take it so hard. I take/guess you were a lifer. Which means you wanted the retirement package? 20 years and a check. I can only deduce from what you put out here.

I live 24/7 in area where

On the Tex/Mex border but there are good kind people around here also. I cannot lump anything into one pot of hate and discontent. But I guess. Your episode with MS-13 left a permanent scar on your psyche. I deal with reverse prejudice on daily basis. But I consider the source and stand them down.

I can see bitterness. I know you, from when you were physically internally ill. On another forum.
So I feel comfy talking to you on a personal level.
I am glad you seem to be better. I am not wishing you or your loved ones any troubles. Anger/Rage can be sign of health also, I guess.

I've never been afeared of politicians, and laws. But the people/mobs that back them. Now those. They scare me. Because they are the lynchers, the burn the witch types.

Surprise, surprise , surprise. ondoho. I could never leave my pie hole shut for long.

Happy Trails from the Mexican Border < I don't see no wall yet at my ranch in Esperanza Tx>, Rok.

I am no saint. I understand the Jungian duality of man. I am totally capable of being a righteous man and a sack of crap all at the same time. I am no better or worse than anyone else on this dirtball.

I was never looking to get anything out of what I did. And nothing is exactly what I got.

I actually never swore an oath. I wasn't allowed to. I tried. I couldn't pass the physical b/c I was born blind in one eye. I could not become police, fire, medic or military. I spent my career working for all levels of government: city, county, state, federal, airforce, etc. I worked as a contract security guard; which means low wages and no benefits.

I did it to help those I could. I was terrorized as a child for being blind in one eye. I was once jumped by 17 kids and beaten within an inch of my life b/c of it. I have seen the worst in my fellow man. My "white privilege" was to be raised in a run down trailer park, where the rats were bigger than the cats, by a couple of abusive, alcoholic drug addicts who beat me and starved me.

My response was to live a life helping as many people as I could be safe. To be that someone standing guard for them that I never had when I needed it most.

I just had a bad habit of being in the wrong place at that wrong time:

Steven Glenn rescued Kathryn A. Atkinson and helped to rescue Susan H. Rhodes from assault, Henderson, Nevada, December 10, 2002.

This was not the only time; just the one that made the news and that I got some medals for; which that, with $5, will get me a cup of coffee. Oh, and I get a big penny (literally, same blend as a penny) on my grave if I die before my wife and she contacts folks to get it put there. That's it. That's all I will get out of a life of service. Good thing I wasn't looking for anything out of it.

My tale of woe is nothing special or unique. It's just part and parcel of the human condition. There are folks growing up in battlefields for Christ's sake. We should do what we can to help them without endangering our homeland. And during my career I ran in to a lot of folks that grew up here that had it a lot worse than me. We have a lot of problems to solve. I stepped up and tried to help solve as many as I could with my own two hands. What have any but one of you done?

I got attacked for the way I looked. That is always wrong, no matter who is attacking or why.

The general responses here to my tale of woe have varied from silence, to casting dispersions on my motivations for a living a life of service, to screeching about the guy who claims he's looking out for folks like me. But not one ounce of empathy for somebody who has devoted his life to service of his fellow man and was attacked for the way he looked by, yes, somebody who probably doesn't belong here.

And then you can't comprehend why people like me put such a blunt instrument in to such a position of high power.

Are y'all really that obtuse?

Cue the republican outrage and hatred of wikileaks/whisteblowers (and democrats cheering of whistleblowers/wikileaks) in 3...2...1...

President Trump has his first " kill "!! She is Nawar al-Awlaki!!

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If over time we have enough rule by those further to the right than a bicycle on the Autobahn, what is considered Left becomes what was Right in the past. Thus those terms tend to be collectivism itself, an easy way to dismiss any person, group of people but at the heart of it, ideas. Left and Liberal have become nearly synonymous and is widely held now as a de facto perjorative. Ring the bell. Everyone salivates. It's an effortless way to avoid actually having to spend some effort in critical analysis. Anyone can do themselves a favor in this regard by reading Goebbels on propaganda, Machiavelli's Prince on gaining power, Mein Kampf on gaining and keeping power and a dash of Sun Tsu can't hurt. Then of course there is Orwell's 1984. Once you can see the pattern of ruthless power moguls you begin to see labels are worthless. Only the Rules of the Game and your place in it matters.

Wealth is power and Freedom means little without the power to utilize that potential. At the moment of birth Donald Trump was worth $250,000,000.00 USD. Unless you are close to that level of power, it is unlikely he even understands your needs, let alone empathizes or has any concern for them beyond keeping you in check. To such people it is far more likely that everyone on this forum is part of The Great Unwashed, mere chattel, beasts of burden to be exploited, or mushrooms to be kept in the dark and fed shit.


It has been rightly said that nothing is so simple as to be all good or all bad. The worm doesn't think the Robin's song sounds like "Cheerup". Everything of any consequence is a tradeoff, TANSTAAFL, and therefore technically a "lesser of evils". That term is also a collective perjorative to provoke apathy. The truth is that if it is used to justify the greater of evils, thing just get more evil over time and at the very least, a lot faster. Don't vote Right or Left, just Correct. It takes work but little else has such high returns as dividends.

........crickets

BS. Trump did not walk up to her and put a bullet in her head. He ordered a military action, things went wrong and innocent people died. Big people accidentally step on little people every day. Sometimes it can't be helped. It is always sad. If you want a sad pic to spread around the net to start a BS meme I can send you the x-rays of my neck.

Oh, BTW, your Lord and Saviour, Obumer *did* intentionally kill her father and accidentally stepped on, and killed, her innocent teenage brother through drone strikes. Where was your outrage then?

It's just the death throes of a civilization. In the grand scheme of things it's really not that big a deal. I'm sure somewhere "out there" there is a galaxy full of intelligent life being sucked in to a black hole that would love to have all of our BS problems.