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Old 05-28-2022, 06:03 AM   #1
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[SOLVED in a way – Internet-Hardware-Radio] localized adverts (fr) when I listen to anything but local radios.


So here goes another dear illusion. *poof*

I was just switching... (what is it) ... channels, fluxes, streams, stations on my Internet radio and went from “San Francisco's Hits of the 70s” (USA) to “319.rock” (AUS). Both quite probably non-French speaking radios. And I do not remember to have ever heard a single advert on any on my favorite stations.

This one was in French for the newly arrived bananas in a local food store chain.

Only after the advert, 319.rock was playing.

How cool. My radio knows and communicates where I live; this time without asking or giving me a chance to “clean a cache” or something.

And this is nothing “Google” or similar (nor Amazon – I forgot).

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Old 05-28-2022, 08:56 AM   #2
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So here goes another dear illusion. *poof*

I was just switching... (what is it) ... channels, fluxes, streams, stations on my Internet radio and went from “San Francisco's Hits of the 70s” (USA) to “319.rock” (AUS). Both quite probably non-French speaking radios. And I do not remember to have ever heard a single advert on any on my favorite stations.

This one was in French for the newly arrived bananas in a local food store chain.

Only after the advert, 319.rock was playing.

How cool. My radio knows and communicates where I live; this time without asking or giving me a chance to “clean a cache” or something.

And this is nothing “Google” or similar (nor Amazon – I forgot).
This is very very easily derived from your IP address. If they start offering you Ruby courses, that's when you should start getting worried!

Proof of concept: try connecting to those stations through TOR or a VPN.
 
Old 05-28-2022, 02:24 PM   #3
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This is very very easily derived from your IP address. If they start offering you Ruby courses, that's when you should start getting worried!

Proof of concept: try connecting to those stations through TOR or a VPN.
I do still not understand. I *only* hear the adverts upon changing streams. Do you think the adverts are related to the radio operator or the platform that they are affiliated to? It would simplify things for me.

Edit: I had forgotten that my Hoster != Internet Access Provider != Registrar of my domain. Of course I have a *French* IP.

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Old 05-29-2022, 12:39 AM   #4
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Edit: I had forgotten that my Hoster != Internet Access Provider != Registrar of my domain. Of course I have a French IP.
Not sure if that means the question has been asnwered, but:
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I do still not understand. I only hear the adverts upon changing streams.
The streaming server works like this: when you connect to it, it might or might not play an intro (which could be advertising based on IP/geolocation), then you get hooked to the stream proper.
 
Old 05-29-2022, 04:42 AM   #5
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[SOLVED in a way]

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Not sure if that means the question has been asnwered
Partly, as the “identification” is not what I had thought of at first, but the “localization” effort quite straight-forward.

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The streaming server works like this: when you connect to it, it might or might not play an intro (which could be advertising based on IP/geolocation), then you get hooked to the stream proper.
Okay. I had not been very interested in streaming audio via Web-Browser and touch the topic only since we have this (really really cool) Internet-Radio. I venture that the adverts are perceived as the ordinary nuisance when you are handling http anyway, while I only push buttons.

I still wonder if the terminal solution would not quite simply be to get rid of HTTP! Or maybe it would be worse, as the most interested parties in the development are now the same who abuse of HTTP as if it were the natural thing to do...

TY anyway.

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Old 05-29-2022, 05:12 AM   #6
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So here goes another dear illusion. *poof*

I was just switching... (what is it) ... channels, fluxes, streams, stations on my Internet radio and went from “San Francisco's Hits of the 70s” (USA) to “319.rock” (AUS). Both quite probably non-French speaking radios. And I do not remember to have ever heard a single advert on any on my favorite stations.

This one was in French for the newly arrived bananas in a local food store chain.

Only after the advert, 319.rock was playing.

How cool. My radio knows and communicates where I live; this time without asking or giving me a chance to “clean a cache” or something.

And this is nothing “Google” or similar (nor Amazon – I forgot).
Still you can use fltvstream that uses directly the URL without ads and whatever gov. propagandas.

https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/fltvstream
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Old 05-29-2022, 11:51 AM   #7
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^ Oh, you're peddling your app again.
I'm sure it's a nice app, but at least as far as this thread is concerned, most Linux media players can do that ootb.

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we have this (really really cool) Internet-Radio.
Seconded!

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I still wonder if the terminal solution would not quite simply be to get rid of HTTP! Or maybe it would be worse, as the most interested parties in the development are now the same who abuse of HTTP as if it were the natural thing to do...
I really don't understand this.
As said above, most streams can be loaded into most media players directly.
 
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^ Oh, you're peddling your app again.
I'm sure it's a nice app, but at least as far as this thread is concerned, most Linux media players can do that ootb.

Seconded!


I really don't understand this.
As said above, most streams can be loaded into most media players directly.
The app has been updated to work for this kind of usage. Anyhow, yeah, all utils like VLC, Mplayer, MPV, ... can do this.

Luckily that we have free software. WIthout that, we would end in ads and full control.

HTTP:
Sometimes FTP is easier to use, than a HTTP+CSS/Java(...) website
(HTTPS is missing into the list.)

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Old 05-29-2022, 03:57 PM   #9
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I really don't understand this.
As said above, most streams can be loaded into most media players directly.
As far as audio-streams are concerned, I acknowledge. What I am dissatisfied with is the fact that we must adapt our behavior because the Web has lost its original purpose and that we have to find out ourselves, when and how.
 
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As far as audio-streams are concerned, I acknowledge. What I am dissatisfied with is the fact that we must adapt our behavior because the Web has lost its original purpose and that we have to find out ourselves, when and how.
The use of youtube-dl is illegal, by its concept, it is hacking. The website of Youtube-dl was down for a while.

The hosting website (e.g. Youtube) may consider the use of Youtube-dl, as a hacking attack. Youtube recommends to use the web (firefox, chromium,...) to view videos. Youtube-dl shall not be used.

The reason is "sweets".
Trying to get "sweets" makes you act illegally. Better to make your opensource sweets yourself....? using Youtube and videos on https/java/...cloud websites (youtube,...) isn't the ideal thing.

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Old 05-29-2022, 11:53 PM   #11
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The use of youtube-dl is illegal, by its concept, it is hacking.
No, it isn't.
By that logic, a browser would be hacking, too. Please read why the RIAA's takedown notice remained ineffective.
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No, it wasn't.

And just in case you were confused on that, too: youtube-dl is totally opensource.

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Old 05-30-2022, 03:39 PM   #12
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The hosting website (e.g. Youtube) may consider the use of Youtube-dl, as a hacking attack.
Where did you get this inspiration, with sources, PSE.
 
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I'm sure they're refering to the RIAA's (Recording Industry Association of America) takedown notice to github. Obviously they were trying to paint youtube-dl as exactly that: illegal hacking - but ultimately their only solid argument was the fact that youtube-dl were using actual real artist's videos as examples in their documentation. youtube-dl changed that, end of story:
  • some lawyer says it's not illegal to parse websites' code - ultimately a browser does the same thing
  • github decided it wants to show how supportive it is of opensource development, nota bene after the whole thing was decided, legally
  • Youtube/Google totally not caring about the whole thing
 
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I had once started a thread about Web-Scraping and there had been mention of interpreting legal texts (US-law that is – nothing internationally binding) in one way or another.
While I do not want to reference the said thread, here, I can however resume that the discussions that I had – also in German-speaking environments – point at a large disagreement on what Web-Scraping actually is.

The definitions – and thus the interpretation of what is legal – depend on the speaker's current involvement and sources. It is serious work for some and even only for this day. Tomorrow and somewhere else, it will be illegal hacking.., well. It will not, of course. It is only the words.

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Old 05-31-2022, 11:07 PM   #15
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It doesn't take a lawyer to see how nonsensical the notion is that downloading & parsing a web page - something that any browser does - is legal if done with one software and illegal with another.

Now what you do with that parsed data, and how often you do it (I suspect you have a hazy recollection of automated web scraping here) is another matter...

I gave 3 points and 2 links; I'm glad to continue this interesting discussion, if you would want to read some of it first?
IDK, maybe you did, but you didn't refer to it.
 
  


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