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Old 03-28-2017, 12:04 PM   #76
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Lionel Nation - Fake News Hysteria: The Death of Critical Thinking Skills & Issue Analysis
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The issue isn’t whether fake news is bad or a problem. The issue is whether government should step in to prohibit that which it considers fake or not real or . . . or what? What’s the difference between fake and wrong? This is not a new phenomenon. After all, there have always been problems with news and perceived bias and the like. Conspiracy theories are dismissed as insane unless they involve Russia. Pizzagate and 9/11 Truthers are nuts. But absolutely anything’s legit when it comes to Putin. And younger folks are the worst at knowing the difference. Fake News was Jon Stewart. War of the Worlds was fake news but theater but people killed themselves. I can’t ensure that you won’t be fooled. It doesn’t work that way. The answer is to remain vigilant, sue if defamed or compete.
 
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Truer words have not been spoken.

Russia, and by extension the old USSR, has been the "bad bogeyman" of the US military industrialists for decades. You can talk to any country on earth, but not Russia. Who "hacked the elections" – which of course must be the "real reason" why Her Majesty didn't win and therefore why we should install "Madame President?" Of course! The Russians!

It would not have been nearly as effective to claim that ... well ... anyone else did such a thing. Furthermore, as long as you drop the magic word, "Russia," plenty of people will automatically believe that what you're saying must be true.

And yet – we also have the real country, which Americans know not of.

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Old 03-28-2017, 02:45 PM   #78
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styxhexenhammer666 - Goodbye "Alright Youtube", Hello "Alright World": War on the Lamestream Media Sorry this is a bit of a lengthy video, but very good points (and rant apparently). Creators on youtube really do face being pushed out, further on the media wars.

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A quote from him that made me really LOL...

"Some random person sitting in the middle of a tent out of Zimbabwe, delivers better news than CNN does!" --styxhexenhammer666

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Old 03-28-2017, 06:30 PM   #79
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Redacted Tonight - [141] Mainstream Media Sucks Hard, Walmart & Slave Labor, Gorsuch & More
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In this episode of Redacted Tonight, host Lee Camp talks about how the mainstream media is tainted by corporate power, given the fact six companies control the bulk of what we watch and hear daily. Lee also reveals how Walmart and Lowes' use of slave labor is getting swept under the rug by media companies that play their ads on repeat. In the second half, correspondent John F. O'Donnell delves into the Dumpster fire that is Trump's 2018 budget proposal and how it will scorch social services that provide basic needs for Americans. Finally, correspondent Naomi Karavani reveals the attempt by tax giants like H&R Block and Intuit to block access to services that allow Americans to file their taxes for free. This and more on Redacted Tonight.
 
Old 03-28-2017, 08:18 PM   #80
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Pardon me ... but my "propaganda quotient" just hit a red-line here.

Let us take a closer look(!) at the preceding "headline," and see how many "sparks" we can extract from it. Here goes ...

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In this episode of Redacted Tonight, host Lee Camp talks about how the mainstream media is tainted by corporate power, given the fact(!) (sez who?) [that] six companies control the bulk of what we watch and hear daily. Lee also reveals how [...]'s use of slave labor is getting swept under the rug by media companies that play their ads on repeat.

In the second half, correspondent John F. O'Donnell delves into the Dumpster fire that is Trump's 2018 budget proposal and how (according to whom, exactly?) it will scorch social services that provide basic needs for Americans.
To be quite frank – "this is a child's play attempt at 'social manipulation.™'" They spend so much time "begging the question" that the poor dog would have long-ago given up any hope of "begging" and simply resigned himself to die of starvation.
 
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Pardon me ... but my "propaganda quotient" just hit a red-line here.

Let us take a closer look(!) at the preceding "headline," and see how many "sparks" we can extract from it. Here goes ...



To be quite frank – "this is a child's play attempt at 'social manipulation.™'" They spend so much time "begging the question" that the poor dog would have long-ago given up any hope of "begging" and simply resigned himself to die of starvation.
K , not sure what you are getting at here
 
Old 03-30-2017, 05:54 PM   #82
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RT America - Fake news vs controlled media: Fmr diplomat weighs in on Russia hearings
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Though the leaders of the US Senate Intelligence panel said they would follow the facts and not jump to conclusions, their first open hearing on “Russian influence” in elections was short on the former and replete with the latter, and filled to the brim with accusations about RT. For more on this, former diplomat Jim Jatras joins RT America’s Ashlee Banks.
 
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I guess I just get exasperated by the Americans ... who are obviously still influential in the US Government ... who have never outgrown "duck and cover." To them, Russia is still the unspeakable pariah, the ultimate bogeyman, slamming boots on the table and threatening nuclear holocaust. (Or so the Americans said at the time.)

The last thing that these people ever want is: "normal(!) relations with Russia!"

But, maybe it's time for America's relations with other countries on Earth to, well, grow up.
 
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Lionel Nation - California Wants to Make It a Crime to Post Fake News and Wrong, Deceptive and “Alternative Facts”
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The California Assembly wanted to be one of the first states to try to ban so-called “fake news,” and it could have sweeping ramifications for social media users across the state. Thank Zeus, they pulled the bill. For now.

The bill, filed in the Assembly’s Committee on Privacy and Consumer Affairs, seeks, essentially, to make it a crime to be wrong on the Internet. The text of the bill implicates anyone who writes, publishes or even shares news stories they know could be false, if those news stories later have an impact on an election.

18320.5. It is unlawful for a person to knowingly and willingly make, publish or circulate on an Internet Web site, or cause to be made, published, or circulated in any writing posted on an Internet Web site, a false or deceptive statement designed to influence the vote on either of the following:
(a) Any issue submitted to voters at an election.
(b) Any candidate for election to public office.

Share fake news, in other words, and face a punishment leveled by the state of California. But what if you’re in another state?
The bill does say that you have to “knowingly and willfully” make reference to a set of “alternative facts,” but it doesn’t give details on who would determine a story is “fake news” or, for that matter, what a “fake news” story even is.

“At a time when political leaders are promoting ‘alternative facts’ and branding unflattering reporting as ‘fake news,’ we don’t think it’s a good idea to give the government more power to punish speech,” said Dave Maas, an investigative researcher for the EFF.
California - explain yourself!

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Obviously, this is a blatant violation of the First Amendment, and it won't get very far.

This proposed bill would prohibit any "statement designed to influence the vote" – provided that someone (who, exactly?) deemed it to be "false" or, worse yet, "deceptive."

By seeking to impose criminal penalties on speakers, based on someone else's interpretation of the falsehood, deceptiveness, or "design," this would act as an unconstitutional muzzle upon freedom of speech: "we want to put you in jail for speaking."

You are entitled more or less to say what you want, especially where elections are concerned, and voters are entitled to vote as they want. They don't have to listen to you nor to be influenced by you, and if they are "influenced," it's nothing that you did: it's their choice "to be influenced."

I'm sure their attorneys quietly said, "don't waste your time with this."

I'm also sure that it never would have passed even one House.

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Old 04-01-2017, 01:32 PM   #86
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Obviously, this is a blatant violation of the First Amendment, and it won't get very far.
I don't know, people like to dump on Texas because 'we are so dumb' - but I think California will give that a run for our money, after all they also just passed a bill to decriminalise people purposefully infecting others with HIV: http://archive.is/3dh8e

Honestly, if California wants to secede because 'Muh Trump' - fine, that state can go fsck itself (well it already is with all these dumbass laws). The more and more I see what California is trying to do, it just seems clear to me that it wants to turn everything into this rather dystopian nanny state. I would even draw a parallel to the rather hilarious movie 'Demolition Man' as a rather apt comparison.

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This proposed bill would prohibit any "statement designed to influence the vote" – provided that someone (who, exactly?) deemed it to be "false" or, worse yet, "deceptive."

By seeking to impose criminal penalties on speakers, based on someone else's interpretation of the falsehood, deceptiveness, or "design," this would act as an unconstitutional muzzle upon freedom of speech: "we want to put you in jail for speaking."
I see this bill as a power grab, and to silence anyone with the 'wrong' opinion, 1984 much?

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You are entitled more or less to say what you want, especially where elections are concerned, and voters are entitled to vote as they want. They don't have to listen to you nor to be influenced by you, and if they are "influenced," it's nothing that you did: it's their choice "to be influenced."
Everyone is entitled to *MY* opinion, thats all - that does not mean they need to listen to it . However the very rhetoric that I saw after the election - as hyperbolic as 'Your vote was a hate-crime' - I didn't even know what to think of that, but the women's marching was rather hilarious - and pointless. I still like how they drew parallels with Trump and his 'grab em' statement, and how bad he is - but it seems it kind of slipped these idiots minds that Clinton took campaign donations to the now for some reason defunct 'Clinton Global Initiative' - from states in the Middle East, remind me again the status of women in those shit-holes?

Oh, and how Trump supporters are violent - funny though, because all I see is anti-Trump idiots being violent, along with ANTIFA who really SHOULD be regarded as a terrorist group. I don't know about you, but if a group is going to attack me for the way I voted, wouldn't that be considered political intimidation?

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I'm sure their attorneys quietly said, "don't waste your time with this."

I'm also sure that it never would have passed even one House.
Again, this is California - the ever so 'tolerant' state, as long as your views conform with ours - and censorship is now a good thing, to protect you from big bad opinions and views not our own.

I think Maynard James Keenan of Tool put it quite eloquently in his song lyrics Ænema:

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Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona Bay

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Old 04-03-2017, 11:22 AM   #87
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Media coverage of Iraqi Mosul op ‘censored & suppressed’ – RT reporter in embattled city

The Iraqi Army keeps press coverage of its operation in Mosul “censored and suppressed,” only allowing access to certain locations, RT’s Murad Gazdiev, reporting from the scene, says, as the UN warns of soaring civilian casualties.
Not related to the above article, but pertinent to the topic of the MSM as a whole:

"You Must Call For the Head Of Rachel Maddow"-Josh Fox Film Maker
 
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RT - CA tries to legislate fake news with scary, Orwellian bill
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A.B. 1104 read: "It is unlawful for a person to knowingly and willingly make, publish or circulate on an Internet Web site, or cause to be made, published, or circulated in any writing posted on an Internet Web site, a false or deceptive statement designed to influence the vote on either of the following: Any issue submitted to voters at an election, and Any candidate for election to public office." Luckily, it just got killed. The Resident discusses.
 
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RT America - CNN's Don Lemon calls Rice story a diversion, then gives it wall-to-wall coverage
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As Obama's National Security Adviser, asked for the names of Donald Trump associates to be unmasked in intelligence reports. The Trump camp calls this proof of spying. Rice says that's ridiculous. CNN backs up Rice by saying it's so ridiculous, it's a non story. And then they proceeded to do endless news stories about it. The Resident breaks it down.
 
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Lionel Nation - Lionel vs. The Big Budowsky: Mainstream Media Coverage of St. Petersburg Blast (A Lively Debate)
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Lionel joins Charles Ortel and Brent "The Big" Budowsky to discuss inter alia coverage of the St. Petersburg blast tragedy. This is a good one.
 
  


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