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Old 03-02-2017, 11:48 AM   #31
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Lionel Nation - Obama Deep State & Fake News Media: Our Beloved Republic Is Going Straight to Hell in a Hand Basket

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The reason why there’s an uptick in anti-Russian news now via Jeff Sessions is because of the incredible response to Trump’s appearance before Congress. As to the aforementioned address, let me perorate some points previously made.

(1) He was presidential. (2) He has changed his tack and won’t respond like before (Oscars, as an example). And, (3) if the Dems’ tack is attacking Trump, they’re doomed. The Marshall Applewhite response from the ex-Kentucky Governor was beyond mind-numbing. They’ve no bench. The postprandial MSDNC response, responding to his style of drinking water was breathtakingly irrelevant and incoherent. ‘What was up with the two-handed water drink?’ That’s it, Rachel? Seriously? Ryan Owens and his wife, Carryn were beyond perfect. The suffragettes were awash in white . . . for something. Nancy Pelosi and her retinue glared. Remember why NOW types hate immigration laws.
Yes I know his videos are lengthy, but there is good insight and his rants are funny at times.

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tl;dw - OMG he's presidential, and suddenly no more talk about Russian hacking.
 
Old 03-02-2017, 01:22 PM   #32
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"In a handbasket?" C'mon! This is boring compared to what was happening when William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer and Adolph Ochs and "Colonel" Robert McCormick were at the height of their newspaper powers. That was "yellow journalism" at its finest!

But also, none of this is "new news." Media companies have been using and abusing the power of the pen (and, later, of television) since the printing press (and, the idiot tube) was invented. "All the news that's fit to print,™ and if we can't find enough of that, we'll just go make something up."

They've also been against Presidents, sometimes rabidly so. McCormick published the fact that the Navy was reading Japanese codes the day after the Battle of Midway. Unfortunately for him, the Japanese people who could have perhaps gotten the word back to Tokyo (had anyone there believed them and listened to a fact that they considered inconceivable ...) were in internment camps for the duration of the war and didn't get newspapers. Nevertheless, anytime McCormick could get his hands on a government secret, straight to the front page it would go. (Governor Dewey, who ran unsuccessfully against Roosevelt, was more circumspect, and did not make a campaign issue of that same cryptologic secret, which he knew to be true.)

The media will continue to advance and to re-group. They will continue to try to shape public opinion. They will continue to say some things and hope that no one will actually catch them – but, that sort of thing is becoming much harder to do nowadays.

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Old 03-02-2017, 02:35 PM   #33
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This post is gonna be a long one so, first grab a coffee, or a beer or whatever preferred beverage...


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"In a handbasket?" C'mon! This is boring compared to what was happening when William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer and Adolph Ochs and "Colonel" Robert McCormick were at the height of their newspaper powers. That was "yellow journalism" at its finest!
Ok well you obviously know more on than that. I am just a millennial, and again even Gen Z would be even more lost on your reference there. I have an interesting video posted about that in the populism thread btw, and truthfully I have tried (not hard enough apparently) to not get sucked into the net culture, but some millennials like myself, and again most if not all of Gen Z are 'red pilled'. Nobody is buying the narrative anymore of the MSM. There are obviously challenges now, and if someone without even say a journalism degree can out report these multi-million dollar corporate lackeys with their 'accredited' degree - that has to tell you something doesn't it?

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But also, none of this is "new news." Media companies have been using and abusing the power of the pen (and, later, of television) since the printing press (and, the idiot tube) was invented. "All the news that's fit to print,™ and if we can't find enough of that, we'll just go make something up."
This is why this new-fangled thingie called 'The Internet' is so valuable to us and so dangerous to them. There is no more monopoly on information - not to say that obviously there isn't falsified information out there, but now there is a new way of disseminating information, new way for people to share information and ideas and offer multiple perspectives that now truly challenge everything, and that is what is threatening. The internet with of it's own chaos has islands out there on a personal blog, on youtube where anyone can challenge the status quo, and dare I say even stimulate a real discussion and promote actual thinking - this is the threat, this is what is dangerous to them, because nobody is falling for it anymore, spend as much money as they want, I don't care nobody does. MSM is losing and are going to lose, the only thing again to reiterate that worries me, is that the US gov in collusion with MSM will start taking a page from China and begin essentially what will be a crackdown here in the US. It could happen, and why everyone now should be looking into VPNs.

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They've also been against Presidents, sometimes rabidly so. McCormick published the fact that the Navy was reading Japanese codes the day after the Battle of Midway. Unfortunately for him, the Japanese people who could have perhaps gotten the word back to Tokyo (had anyone there believed them and listened to a fact that they considered inconceivable ...) were in internment camps for the duration of the war and didn't get newspapers. Nevertheless, anytime McCormick could get his hands on a government secret, straight to the front page it would go. (Governor Dewey, who ran unsuccessfully against Roosevelt, was more circumspect, and did not make a campaign issue of that same cryptologic secret, which he knew to be true.)
The old guard will continue their character assassination on the POTUS as well as any dissenting views who dares to call them out on it, i.e. hit pieces against H.A. Goodman, and others.

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The media will continue to advance and to re-group. They will continue to try to shape public opinion. They will continue to say some things and hope that no one will actually catch them – but, that sort of thing is becoming much harder to do nowadays.
They will continue to try, but only way they can have a sliver of hope in succeeding is if alternative media is successfully suppressed, i.e. net censorship and paid shills to 'sh*t post' on any dissenting views. You already see twitter doing this, deleting or banning people with a slight conservative views, but again remind me what happened after Trump's win? Massive amounts of tweets calling for violence, outright ousting of Trump violently - even celebs calling for martial law, but they didn't get even a peep of warning from twitter.

Speaking of which:

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Twitter adds more anti-abuse tools

Twitter has introduced more measures aimed at cutting down on the amount of abuse on the platform.

Users will be able to limit what they see from certain types of account, particularly ones with no profile picture or information.
Yet again, what is Twitter doing about all or any of the anti Trumpers out there, let alone those outright calling for violence. I mean gee, I would think that would be against their TOS right? Thats why I see people who just have a conservative view or those who would have a dissenting view in general are going over to an alternative platform - Candid.

Also Google obviously is getting into it:

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Google's troll-hunting AI fooled by typos

A prototype AI that spots online trolling can be tricked with a few typos, researchers have shown.

The system, from Google spin-off company Jigsaw, fails to detect words like "idiot" and "stupid" as toxic language when misspelled as "idiiot" or "st.upid", for example.
Sure, the guise of making sure there are no trolls but you see the danger here on how this can be misused. How do you determine who is trolling? Just by offering a dissenting view, using no profanity, trying to write a view in the most polite way possible and it could still be construed as trolling. This is very dangerous and I will see this being used to justify silencing any opposing views, plus people are obviously going to work around it - Styx stated the same thing.

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Old 03-02-2017, 05:10 PM   #34
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+1 #31! I knew a quick LQ UID 120045 Sessions would locate the $?=0 on CNN's Broken News
 
Old 03-02-2017, 10:50 PM   #35
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H.A Goodman - WIKILEAKS TASK FORCE DESTROYS RUSSIAN HACKING MYTH: Assumptions Now Replace Facts tl;dw - CIA 'highly confident' it was 'muh Russians', DNC refuses FBI access to server...
 
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Y'know, you guys missed Watergate, when President Nixon was accused of planting listening devices in his opponent's suites at the Watergate Hotel. Believe it or not, it was massaged into a "scandal" big enough to cause "Tricky Dick" to resign.

(Of course, "Tricky" was a paranoid sleaze-bag, and lots of people wanted to see him go.)

I can't help but see this whole thing as "The Bad Old USSR™ The Cold War Meets Watergate."

Yeah, yeah, "the highest (of course ...) echelons of the Russian (of course ... it's always the Russians ...) Government" took a fanatical interest in the e-mails of the Democrats, thereby (of course ... it's never that your candidate was exactly what America didn't want ...) causing the Wrong Candidate™ to be Elected the Democratic loss.

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"Ahh! That's it! So let's just 'declare a temporary State of Emergency, remove The Donald, and, y'know, fix things back the way they ought to be! We love you, Madame President!™ We love you! We're gonna fix this!"


It's over, people ...

... and, she lost. Fair and square. Go look at the election-results map again: except for a handful of the most-populous states (and, certainly not all of those ...), that map is "a sea of red."

When the disbelievers asked the Electoral College to "fix things," well, what did they do? Two people pledged for Hillary Clinton did not vote for her. She probably wound up with two fewer votes than she would have had, had she kept her mouth shut. The "Russian hacker" story was already circulating at that time, so the Electors, had they seriously believed that the election had been somehow rigged, could have voted as they saw fit. And, well, I suppose they did.

- - - - -

What we all need to do, now, is to resume the business of governance, recognizing that there are many changes and reforms that need to be made. We are counter-acting about forty years of mis-management ... more-or-less starting with "Reaganomics™" ... and it's going to take unity to achieve that. Not further discord. You've got your Chief Executive. Maybe he's not the one that California, Oregon or Washington State wanted, but he's the one who won. Fair and square. So, it's time to (shut up and ...) learn how to work with "your actual POTUS," and get to work doing the things that the people would have you do.

It's time to give up on dreams of "how Hillary would have done things" (which would have been: "exactly how she did things the last time she was President ..."), and work with the Executive that the people actually picked. There is work to be done. A lot of it.

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Old 03-03-2017, 11:26 AM   #37
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Another "establishment" that is definitely on the hot-seat is the Defense / Foreign-Policy establishment.

Very good article here: http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...lations-214846

They're basically scared sh*tless and in fear of their jobs – and their relevance.

These are, after all, the people who first gave us "the nuclear football," and who have been glorying in its supposed relevance and necessity ever since. Literally expecting "the bad old USSR Russians" to launch hundreds of nuclear missiles at America, such that the President would have to use the "football, close at hand," in order to launch a counter-strike before the entire human race vaporized itself.

And so, what are these cats now "deathly afraid of?" You got it: "talking to Russia." Or anybody else. "We're the professionals, we're the ones who know how to do this, and if the President talks to anyone except through us, it's 'Amateur Foreign Policy.'"

And so it goes. Clutching their "football" tightly in their hands, talking endlessly about their "nuveau Watergate Russian Hacking story," and trying to imagine a government that cut them off from their "lifer" Washington career of continuing to try to "keep hot" a world war that ended seventy years ago by endlessly engaging in new (undeclared) war, and losing every single one of them.

On both sides of the Atlantic, "World War II" was too lucrative to let end. NATO is Europe's version of the same military-industrialist thinking. No one seems to be asking hard questions about what international defense should be today. Until, maybe, "this guy.™"

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Old 03-03-2017, 01:07 PM   #38
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I'm going to cherry pick that article

Great article and I have to now comment on certain things sticking out to me from it, so yes I am going to cherry pick bits and pieces. So, another long post.

From that article posted by sundialsvcs:

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“Everything I’ve worked for for two decades is being destroyed,” a senior Republican told me—and he was considered one of the Republicans more open to the Trump regime.
Yes, what has this jackass worked for the past few decades? Lining his pockets with money with foreign policies that are nothing more but just a form of American imperialism that the cost of innocence.

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“I can’t sleep at night,” said a senior Democrat—and he was still counseling would-be Trump appointees to take the job.
Yea well how did he sleep before, knowing that we are practically destroying other countries on false pretenses and our servicemen/women come home broken or in a box, didn't seem to have any issues sleeping then right?

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They knew where the nukes were buried and how serious the Russian hacks actually were
Yet 'they' keep banging that drum, but still refuse to even allow FBI access to analyze DNC servers, but we are still expected to take their word for it that Russia has been behind Trump...

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and how hard it was going to be to fight a war in Iraq if we were busy banning all Iraqis from entering our country.
Yes lets first destroy a country under false pretenses, displace the entire population but we were there as 'liberators' , we'll just also help 'liberate' Iraq of that pesky black liquid under their ground too, oh and all the dangerous weapons that Saddam doesn't have. Like that wasn't enough, lets try regime change again, in North Africa, Libya one of the most stable countries who at least had some kind of working government and public services, what do they have now? Fsck all is what they have. Its now time to try again, Syria this time what could possibly.... Oh, SHIT the Syrian government under UN laws asked Russia for assistance to re-stabilize the country, and the US was NOT invited their in the first place.

Time for the Anti Russian card to be played.

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And now they were genuinely terrified, for the first time in my lifetime at least, about something as fundamental as America’s place in the world.
As they should be, every sovereign nation has the right to their own defense and the US is not and should not given special status. US' place in the world should not be nation building.

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A senior senator complained about the “hysteria” among the foreign policy crowd; was it really warranted?
Absolutely it is, because people are tired of these perpetual and endless wars that the US keeps propagating. With all the money spent, we may have actually had a decent healt care system for once, improved our infrastructure, given out student loans for college and best of all less people sent off to die in a pointless endeavor or return home a shell of they used to be.

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It hadn’t needed to be this way. I had spent much of the first week debriefing a dozen senior diplomats and top Obama officials who had been dealing until a few days before with the country’s thorniest national security problems, and I was struck by how willing they were to be critical. It was a reminder that Obama, too, had begun his presidency by vowing to reject the received Washington wisdom—the reflexive do-somethingism of The Blob—and take a dimmer view of foreign adventures, and he really meant it. Several political appointees told me in stark terms that they thought Obama had failed on both Russia and Syria, and many started out by thinking that Trump’s team might have a chance to rethink the foreign policy problems Obama had struggled to make progress on.
The way Obama failed on Russia is NATO. Had NATO NOT provoked Russia things would have been different. Although it was more of an 'unwritten' rule that after the collapse of the USSR, NATO would not seek to expand further, which they did anyways. https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-fr...achev-says-no/

Also I question the validity of the west's narrative that the annexation of Crimea was illegal. Says who? There was a referendum, and before anyone can say - other powers do similar things as well, and if it doesn't go their way well it was illegal anyways - i.e. W calling for democratic elections in Palestine, Hamas wins the election - the US doesn't recognise it, but a democratic election was held right? It just didn't go as some wanted, now what all of the sudden it goes out the window? Same with Brexit - it was voted to leave, but wait it is not valid? There should be another referendum? Like a child making the rules, and when they do not even win by their own rules, time to skirt around or not recognise the rules now.

Now the main thing that stuck out with me the most, is the return of the Cold War era with regards to Russia in general, and we have pretty much entered a neo-Mccarthism, after all the populace must be kept frightened somehow.

Now, I feel this is a good rebuttal article - yes it is from RT but I feel it is fitting:

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https://www.rt.com/news/379334-lavro...or-witch-hunt/

‘Like McCarthyism’: Lavrov slams US ‘witch hunt-like’ scrutiny of Russian ambassador’s contacts
Also, RT Crosstalk - GOP-Which Way?

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President Donald Trump has started the very difficult process of reaching across the political divide. At this point Democrats have returned no interest. More importantly can the new president rely on the GOP?
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Y'know, you guys missed Watergate, when President Nixon was accused of planting listening devices in his opponent's suites at the Watergate Hotel. Believe it or not, it was massaged into a "scandal" big enough to cause "Tricky Dick" to resign.
I do have something about that, sorry though to do this to you sundialsvcs - but an interesting video on that from Ben Stein, on CNN no less...

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Economist and former Nixon speechwriter Ben Stein says he doesn’t blame President Trump for bagging the White House Correspondents Dinner, as it wouldn’t have been much more than another confrontation where he fends off the media.
- Ben Stein DESTROYS CNN on CNN, "Dumping all over the mainstream of America"

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It is a "witch hunt," and it is especially a refusal to accept that the Americans for the very first time elected a President who was not, in any past life, a professional politician. These people will do and say anything to try to press the point that, "somehow, somehow, Trump isn't the legitimate winner and therefore Madame President™ should be installed ... by cabal if necessary."

The voters spoke, and no, their election results were not tampered-with by "Russian hackers half-a-planet away." The "sea of red throughout most of the country" cannot be misunderstood. The people did not want Hillary Clinton, and the Electors agreed.

Which leaves: "Russia-gate," minus the Hotel. Forty years ago, that was enough to topple a scumbag President. Now, people would have said, "so what?"

Also: "it really doesn't require 'the highest echelons of the Russian Government'" to get one's hands on an un-encrypted SMTP email that was sent through public servers. A copy was surely made of everything, at every "hop" along the way. And if the data was encrypted, it devolves to the same "did everyone handle the data correctly, every step of the way?" problem that all of us deal with on a regular basis with clients and so forth. The probability that data was divulged due to "an insider," and/or simple carelessness, is extremely high. Thus, it should be the first thing that we presume – not Russians.

But, at least to their sophistic way of thinking, "you just keep having to say 'The Russians!' over and over and over again, until eventually school-kids all across the country will "Duck and Cover™" underneath their desks. The mere fact that you blame "them" immediately converts your petulant belly-aching into a genuine threat that must pre-occupy special prosecutors until ... until ... you know ... "Madame President!™"

"Ladies and Gentlemen, it's 'last call' for you. You're obviously quite drunk."

A party which cannot or will not comprehend that its candidate resoundingly(!) lost, instead of itself coming to grips with the fact that it is no longer what the public in this country wants to follow, continues to whine, complain, and scramble for salvation at public expense.

- - - - -

To me, this makes it all the more obvious that "we need to start talking," to Russia and maybe also to a number of other countries.

And we need to start listening, too.

Because, right now, we're only talking to ourselves, about what we suppose that these countries used to be. We don't want any conversation at all that isn't at the point of a gun. Maybe we really don't want World War II to ever be "over."

Y'know, this is the "twenty-first Century," now. Maybe it's time we started seriously acting the part.

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It is a "witch hunt," and it is especially a refusal to accept that the Americans for the very first time elected a President who was not, in any past life, a professional politician. These people will do and say anything to try to press the point that, "somehow, somehow, Trump isn't the legitimate winner and therefore Madame President™ should be installed ... by cabal if necessary."

The voters spoke, and no, their election results were not tampered-with by "Russian hackers half-a-planet away." The "sea of red throughout most of the country" cannot be misunderstood. The people did not want Hillary Clinton, and the Electors agreed.

Which leaves: "Russia-gate," minus the Hotel. Forty years ago, that was enough to topple a scumbag President. Now, people would have said, "so what?"

A party which cannot or will not comprehend that its candidate resoundingly(!) lost, instead of itself coming to grips with the fact that it is no longer what the public in this country wants to follow, continues to whine, complain, and scramble for salvation at public expense.

To me, this makes it all the more obvious that "we need to start talking," to Russia and maybe also to a number of other countries.

And we need to start listening, too.

Because, right now, we're only talking to ourselves, about what we suppose that these countries used to be. We don't want any conversation at all that isn't at the point of a gun. Maybe we really don't want World War II to ever be "over."

Y'know, this is the "twenty-first Century," now. Maybe it's time we started seriously acting the part.
The witch hunt is on all fronts pretty much. Those in positions of power who would prefer detente with Russia, are to be decried as 'compromised'. The MSM and it's backers are in full assault because their hold is also being challenged.

Sorry again sundialsvcs, but this is relevant:

Computing Forever - The Truth is Financially Painful

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A dissenting view is now considered out of the norm. You will be targeted financially as well, if ridicule and character assassinations/hit pieces aren't enough, and the silencing will still continue on other platforms such as Twitter.
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Computing Forever - The Third Phase of The YouTube Skeptic Community

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Some people seem a little unclear. That's perhaps my fault. I said we're winning the culture war, we have by no means won it completely yet. Also, as I've said, I fully expect the threat posed by Social Justice to continue for several more years. Social justice warriors are still there, but their growth and appeal has declined significantly because of the work of those in the skeptic community, I think that's evidenced by the backlash against the likes of Buzzfeed and MTV News videos.
Going back though to the Russian witch hunt and the hypocrisy of the left:

H.A. Goodman - Clinton Campaign Sent Nuclear Weapons Secrets Over Email -- tl;dw - No big deal that Clinton used a private email about things pertaining to national security, our nuclear secrets on an unsecured private server, I mean c'mon - whats the big deal!?

....Sorry again for all the vids , sundialsvcs
 
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If you can't stand the tweet heat, get out of the kitchen.™


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No big deal that Clinton used a private email about things pertaining to national security, our nuclear secrets on an unsecured private server, I mean c'mon - whats the big deal!?
There are obvious infrastructure-security problems throughout the Federal government – by people with very high security clearances who are supposed to know better about such things.

Someone who worked in the SOSUS's office should have been tasked to guarantee that whatever data Madame Secretary might have need to handle, during the course of her vitally-important diplomatic business, would at all times be properly protected at all times, and without requiring special attention nor technical expertise on her part. The SOSUS's job is to be a diplomat, and she has every reason to expect and to require that her supporting staff does their job correctly.

The particulars of her job should be "much higher than 'Top' Secret."

And yet – great quantities of apparently authentic State Department messages were "leaked," winding up in some very improbable places. (Like a DVD on a battlefield, held by a common soldier.)

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other powers do similar things as well, and if it doesn't go their way well it was illegal anyways - i.e. W calling for democratic elections in Palestine, Hamas wins the election - the US doesn't recognise it, but a democratic election was held right?
AFAIK, the US does recognize the election results, they're just not friendly with the resulting government. And I don't think there have there been any elections since then?

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Same with Brexit - it was voted to leave, but wait it is not valid? There should be another referendum?
AFAIK, declarations by some on the losing side notwithstanding, the British government is treating the referendum result as valid, and there won't be another referendum.
 
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tl;dw/dl - Media war continues - the more the far right actually gets attacked, the more people will actually turn away from those who are attacking them. The failure of censorship, there is a reason why Youtube trying out YoutubeTV. Kind of a chaotic cast, but still I rather enjoy his analysis.

Main point of the cast - 'They (youtubers) are now are the ones being 'shilled' (attacked). - styxhexenhammer666 - The "I'm Back Again" Audio Broadcast
 
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Lionel Nation - First Amendment Freedoms Include the Right to Think, Imagine, Hope and Wish For Even Bad Things

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U.S. airport security workers long had the option of using five different types of physical pat-downs at the screening line. Now those options have been eliminated and replaced with a single universal approach. This time, you will notice.

The new physical touching—for those selected to have a pat-down—will be more invasive in what the federal agency describes as a more “comprehensive” physical screening, according to a Transportation Security Administration spokesman.
 
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