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Old 02-23-2017, 12:07 PM   #1
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Thumbs up [politics & media] The death of establishment media - it is a good thing and great to watch!


So I usually don't watch tv these days, after all whats the point? Its all drivel - though now I have been flipping through the 'news' channels just out of sheer curiosity, and well just to see how much they are destroying themselves. It is now a desperate fever-pitch attempt to cling onto to their dying numbers, and I am just enjoying every minute of it. So far all we see know, any sort of dissent and thinking critically - it is obviously 'fake news'. It is just fascinating, but also rather alarming to watch too. This is pretty much a playback out of the USSR media, and damn Orwell was fscking right!

#CNNLeaks: Project Veritas Releases Over 100 Hours of Audio From Inside CNN
http://veritaslive.com/02-23-2017/pr...nside-cnn.html

So, I wonder how CNN is reacting to all this? So far no mention obviously either on their website or their channels(that I have seen yet). I guess they are hoping it will go away. I hope also Project Veritas will also turn their attention towards MSNBC,FOX,ABC,CBS and the long time on life support papers such as WaPo, NYT, etc. This....is.....glorious!

As always, Mr. Goodman, has a great analysis.
H.A. Goodman - WASHINGTON POST DECLARES VICTORY IN MEDIA WAR WITH TRUMP: Wapo Thinks Trump Losing Media Battle

So seriously, what can they do? It is doubtful they are going to clean house, eat some of that humble pie and reform - it is time to double down - yell out fake news as much as possible, and my opinion still try to appeal to the much older, less tech savvy generation of baby boomers, because nobody else is listening - I am, only because I can't stop laughing.

I wonder if they will try any sort of 'legal' action against Project Veritas or something. It would be funny, because there would be such a backlash even more, lol. Oh and this: H.A. Goodman - WIKILEAKS STYLE CNN LEAKS WILL BE RELEASED BY JAMES O'KEEFE TOMORROW: Dem Operatives Resign

Of course the battle is also heated on the social media side - the pledge to 'filter out' 'fake news' and we keep seeing dissenting opinions on youtube and facebook and twitter buried or outright censored.

Sargon of Akkad - I Am @Jack's Failing Social Media Platform

It is all still a desperate attempt - one side cannot silence the other - it doesn't work anymore, and I am just enjoying all the chaos this has brought (because I have nothing better to do right now anyways).


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Old 02-23-2017, 12:31 PM   #2
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Old 02-23-2017, 01:21 PM   #3
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Well this thread wasn't really in danger of being buried I think, unless we have some corporate goons lurking around?


Anyways, another case of censorship
 
Old 02-23-2017, 01:38 PM   #4
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Jimmy Dore - Venezuela Shuts Down CNN! Calls It "FAKE NEWS"
 
Old 02-23-2017, 02:48 PM   #5
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Jeebizz,

While after recent discussion we decided not to close the General forum temporarily, looking at your posting history you've been posting far more threads in General than in technical fora recently. In addition, many of them have been political in nature. While not against the rules per se, please keep in mind that LQ is a technical site. If you'd like to discuss politics or other non-technical topics at length there are better venues for that than here. If you have any questions, let me know.

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Old 02-23-2017, 03:26 PM   #6
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Well I admit I got carried away, to say that we are living in interesting times is an understatement. Sorry
 
Old 02-23-2017, 05:21 PM   #7
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To me, Jeremy, this site has always been something of a "water cooler." And, personally, I have never had a problem with that sort of thing, provided that(!) it is confined to one place and clearly identified as such. (Which, I feel, it always has been.)

There are plenty of technical discussions happening, also, all the time – this is, IMHO, the best site to find high-quality information and quick responses about "anything Linux." Far, far better than other sites such as the various "Exchange variants."

But this site is also the home of "the stuff of Internet legend," such as the Faith & Religion Mega-Thread.™ And, to me, "it's all good." In fact, it is part of what I particularly enjoy about LQ, and I always have.

Create a place for all discussions that may take place and watch for personal attacks or any other anti-social behavior. Obviously, if any participant starts calling-out too much moderator time, take him or her aside. Actions such as "shutting down a subforum" would be like admitting to a mistake – and, I don't think any such thing has happened here. Has ever happened here. (And that's saying a lot for you folks!)

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Old 02-23-2017, 09:07 PM   #8
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I'll just post this last thing, then request this to be closed too.


Jimmy Dore - CNN Host LOSES IT on Trump Supporter, Ends Show!
 
Old 02-23-2017, 10:16 PM   #9
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Jeebizz, I gave up on television news a long time ago, but probably not for the same reasons as you. I ditched it because it is superficial and sacrifices journalism to theatrics. I get my news the old-fashioned way; I read stuff.

As for CNN's story from the inaccurately named "Project Veritas," there is no there there, as is common with anything James O'Keefe touches.
 
Old 02-23-2017, 10:40 PM   #10
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Well I have given up on both news and just general 'entertainment' on tv. I am finding myself on youtube (obviously) more and more for mainly entertainment but I have obviously come across 'little guy' channels with political analysis that have more subscribers than the cable networks have, or are growing at a rate that they will over take them. Its just funny, and there isn't really anything they can do about it, unless Google eventually caves to all the corporate pressure, that is my biggest fear.

Veritas stuff fizzled, oh well - but at least we have those willing to troll the MSM online and off.
 
Old 02-24-2017, 07:48 AM   #11
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Ever since the days of Joseph Pulitzer, whose newspapers gave us the term, "yellow journalism," or "Colonel" Robert McCormick, the famous Roosevelt-hater who freely spewed government secrets whenever he could get his hands on them, the Media has always sought to directly influence politics ... and generally it has done so.

There has always been a very fine line between "reporting" and "propaganda." Sometimes, it is the government who dictates what the message shall be. Sometimes, it is the publisher/owner. Sometimes it is the writers and reporters themselves. The Cable "News" (sic) Network™ became one of the worst offenders, and I don't think that you can blame this one on "Captain Outrageous," as outspoken as "that other very-rich man" might be.

You may recall that I took a paragraph from a news story not long ago and struck out the slanted words and leading phrases with which it was filled, leaving the more-objective story as the reporter should have written it. About one fourth of the paragraph's text was removed, IIRC. Journalists should "report the news, without fear or favor.™" But they don't.

I also am of the opinion that America is not the "house divided against itself" that the media now portrays it to be. Someone who is shouting is low-hanging fruit: easy to film. Someone who is not shouting, but who is (now) very actively involved in political matters, might not be noticed unless you are actually looking for him. "Opinion polls" are of no real value because their wording is almost always deeply slanted. (For instance, a survey question should never start with the phrase, "Do you agree that ...?" because people like to be agreeable most of the time and to follow-the-crowd.)

In my journalism class, the instructor divided the class into three groups and instructed one of us to write a survey so that everyone would answer "no," another group so as to answer "yes," and a third to be objective. We all generally succeeded. It was all in how you set the question. (And also, the survey itself. One question leads to another.)

Personally, I appreciate "true journalism," but I haven't seen it in a long time. The stories that continue to be published, continue to be laden with "loaded words" and obvious slant. There is no attempt for the writer to be neutral, nor to appear to be neutral. Quite the opposite. I do think that if the journalism industry would re-remember what is their task to do, they would find an increase in their on-line and off-line readership, and thus their influence. But, it is hard to do that.

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Old 02-24-2017, 11:03 AM   #12
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Ever since the days of Joseph Pulitzer, whose newspapers gave us the term, "yellow journalism," or "Colonel" Robert McCormick, the famous Roosevelt-hater who freely spewed government secrets whenever he could get his hands on them, the Media has always sought to directly influence politics ... and generally it has done so.

There has always been a very fine line between "reporting" and "propaganda." Sometimes, it is the government who dictates what the message shall be. Sometimes, it is the publisher/owner. Sometimes it is the writers and reporters themselves. The Cable "News" (sic) Network™ became one of the worst offenders, and I don't think that you can blame this one on "Captain Outrageous," as outspoken as "that other very-rich man" might be.
Well when it comes to the MSM, they are practically not even trying anyways - it is overtly just propaganda.

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You may recall that I took a paragraph from a news story not long ago and struck out the slanted words and leading phrases with which it was filled, leaving the more-objective story as the reporter should have written it. About one fourth of the paragraph's text was removed, IIRC. Journalists should "report the news, without fear or favor.™" But they don't.
Because in the media market it has to do with money and funds, sponsors and so in a sense they are dictated what to cover and how to cover it.

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I also am of the opinion that America is not the "house divided against itself" that the media now portrays it to be. Someone who is shouting is low-hanging fruit: easy to film. Someone who is not shouting, but who is (now) very actively involved in political matters, might not be noticed unless you are actually looking for him. "Opinion polls" are of no real value because their wording is almost always deeply slanted. (For instance, a survey question should never start with the phrase, "Do you agree that ...?" because people like to be agreeable most of the time and to follow-the-crowd.)
The problem is that the media is also sending mixed messages, 'oh look how good things are and do not challenge or you are a bigot' then stating it is not the media that is being divisive. Clearly more people are seeing through this, and why they are so desperate. The low-hanging fruit again in my opinion are the elder majority who would most likely be less savvy technically, or even while on the internet most likely would go to a mainstream source either way, because that is what they are comfortable with.

Again this is not just news, but also entertainment as well - there are restrictions the mainstream has obviously - but things are obviously changing. I do not need flashy screens with 'breaking news' for my information, or some entertainment that would cost millions to produce and be shallow nonsense - whereas I find more informative and entertaining persons on youtube with barely a fraction of the budget or even no budget at all, and would be worth my time and even my own money to keep that person going (patreon). I am probably preaching to the choir at this point, but the mainstream has become so sterile and just dead that it is to the point of irrelevance. Of course, some might argue it has been dead for a long time.

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In my journalism class, the instructor divided the class into three groups and instructed one of us to write a survey so that everyone would answer "no," another group so as to answer "yes," and a third to be objective. We all generally succeeded. It was all in how you set the question. (And also, the survey itself. One question leads to another.)

Personally, I appreciate "true journalism," but I haven't seen it in a long time. The stories that continue to be published, continue to be laden with "loaded words" and obvious slant. There is no attempt for the writer to be neutral, nor to appear to be neutral. Quite the opposite. I do think that if the journalism industry would re-remember what is their task to do, they would find an increase in their on-line and off-line readership, and thus their influence. But, it is hard to do that.
Well maybe some of the more prominent 'journalist' should retake the course, because most are not following the basic tenants of journalism.


I found this to be quite informative too: PBS Idea Channel - How NOT To Spot Fake News
 
Old 02-24-2017, 12:35 PM   #13
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Perhaps this is one more thread that you should have marked [US Politics], because our news media are OK on this side of the pond. Or perhaps, as Jeremy gently hinted, you need to restrain yourself!
 
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Perhaps this is one more thread that you should have marked [US Politics], because our news media are OK on this side of the pond. Or perhaps, as Jeremy gently hinted, you need to restrain yourself!
Yea, you're right


Anyways , here is something else to chew on: Mainstream Media Wants THIS to be MANATORY!
 
Old 02-25-2017, 11:00 AM   #15
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Fake News Alt-Left Mainstream Media Simply Hate President Trump
Fake News Alt-Left Mainstream Media Are Losing Dwindling Audience by Reporting on Their Mistreatment
CNN and NYT banned from WH Press Conferences

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