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Old 06-03-2018, 02:40 AM   #1
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'Soaring overdose death rate fuels rise in organ transplantati


' Organs from people who died of drug overdose are just as healthy as those donated by those who died of other causes.
' The number of organ transplants in the United States has grown, in large part because of a rise in deaths from drug overdoses.'
http://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05194-x
 
Old 06-03-2018, 03:20 AM   #2
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how dystopian...

interestingly, a significant part (the article does not specify) of these deaths are from legal drugs, a.k.a. "medicine".
 
Old 06-03-2018, 04:28 AM   #3
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Hardly - since when did dystopia come with silver linings ?.
 
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Some people want to use drugs; some want replacement organs: synergy. Give out free drugs, treat intoxication as an achievement, not an illness: both problems solved.
 
Old 06-03-2018, 11:22 AM   #5
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interestingly, a significant part (the article does not specify) of these deaths are from legal drugs, a.k.a. "medicine".
Following some links seems to indicate that autopsies don't necessarily neatly divide deaths into legal and illegal drug overdose, but they're linked anyway.

https://wtop.com/health-fitness/2018...esearch-found/
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.105...featured_home&
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...?dopt=Abstract
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/65/wr/mm655051e1.htm

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These significant increases in death rates were driven by synthetic opioids other than methadone (72.2%), most likely illicitly-manufactured fentanyl (2,3), and heroin (20.6%).
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The misuse of prescription opioids is intertwined with that of illicit opioids; data have demonstrated that nonmedical use of prescription opioids is a significant risk factor for heroin use
https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0516172257.htm
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The research team also examined the Eurotransplant data that tracked transplantation in eight European countries during the same period. They found the number of organ donors dying from drug intoxication in Europe has remained low (less than 1 percent). Stehlik attributes these low numbers to policies in Europe that have kept opioid drug prescriptions low.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 05:15 AM   #6
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' Organs from people who died of drug overdose are just as healthy as those donated by those who died of other causes.
That is assuming a lot IMO. Maybe if they only used drugs occasionally and died of a drug overdose.

Factors such as alcohol intake, not to mention drug history (and where it falls short), blood-borne pathogens, etc. all determine the condition and viability of it being used as a transplant.

And try getting a liver transplant if your someone besides David Crosby and have a log history of drug abuse.

Nope, you're not worth it. There are other people out there more worthy of a new liver. It's your type that's bring down society. Now go die somewhere else so you don't dirty up the place.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 05:57 PM   #7
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That is assuming a lot IMO.
It's knowing a lot, as this article from a recent 'Annals of Internal Medicine' tells us:

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'Overdose-Death Donors in Organ Transplantation'

'outcomes with ODD organs were noninferior to those with organs from trauma-death donors (TDDs) and medical-death donors (MDDs). Compared with MDDs, ODDs were less likely to have hypertension, diabetes, or prior myocardial infarction but had slightly higher creatinine levels and were more likely to donate after circulatory death. Cold ischemic time of transplanted kidneys was similar across all donor types. In an adjusted analysis, recipients of ODD kidneys and livers had a lower risk for death than recipients of MDD organs and a similar risk for death and graft loss compared with recipients of TDD organs.'
http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/26...ransplantation
 
Old 06-07-2018, 08:32 PM   #8
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It's knowing a lot, as this article from a recent 'Annals of Internal Medicine' tells us:
Could you please point out exactly in your quote where it addresses the issue of a history of alcohol or drug abuse of the donor as a consideration of the viability of the donor organ?

The liver is the only organ in the human body that can regenerate itself, but there are limits and pertinent factors to be considered.


Not just "Hey, this guy just OD'd on Life Itself." (A Blue Oyster Cult reference). Lets harvest his eyes! (Harvester of Eyes - Blue Oyster Cult).

Respectfully.
 
Old 06-07-2018, 10:39 PM   #9
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Old 06-08-2018, 09:58 AM   #10
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Could you please point out exactly in your quote where it addresses the issue of a history of alcohol or drug abuse of the donor as a consideration of the viability of the donor organ?
There's a shortage of organs for transplant. Make sure you refuse any from drug & alcohol abusers. There'll be one more for the rest of us.
 
Old 06-08-2018, 11:10 AM   #11
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There's a shortage of organs for transplant. Make sure you refuse any from drug & alcohol abusers. There'll be one more for the rest of us.
Oh, you couldn't form a rebuttal with facts to refute my point so you resort to this tactic? A troll with paltry debate skills and weak google-fu... Pitiful. No wonder you're just random.

An no, I'm not taking any more students. You're not up to the standards of Ninja_Root or worthy of the status.


Well, RandomTroll, you don't need to worry about that anyway. I'm not eligible for a transplant or as a donor.

Don't play in the traffic. But if you do, can I have your liver? With a side order of fava beans, please.
 
Old 06-08-2018, 02:50 PM   #12
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Well, RandomTroll, you don't need to worry about that anyway. I'm not eligible for a transplant or as a donor.

Don't play in the traffic. But if you do, can I have your liver? With a side order of fava beans, please.
what about overdosing instead?
also, obligatory monty python video.
 
Old 07-16-2018, 02:09 AM   #13
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I read this amusing short story in the current Nature http://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-05657-1
 
Old 09-07-2018, 11:59 AM   #14
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'Transplant of Hepatitis C-Infected Kidneys Into Uninfected Recipients'
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'Twenty HCV-negative recipients of HCV-infected kidneys experienced HCV cure, good quality of life, and excellent renal function. Kidneys from HCV-infected donors may be a valuable transplant resource.'
http://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/26...eys-uninfected
 
Old 02-08-2019, 12:46 AM   #15
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'In conclusion, there is considerable regional variation in the rates of donor heart recovery from persons who died from drug intoxication in the United States, and the increase in rates of recovery appears to be associated with a net decrease in the heart transplant waiting-list size. It is important that effective efforts to target the drug-overdose epidemic go forward, and the transplantation community certainly supports those efforts.
from 'Organ Donation and Drug Intoxication-Related Deaths in the United States' in the latest NEJM https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc1810758
 
  


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