i normally would install MinGW on windows to use bash and stay away from "cmd.exe"
but cmd.exe sucks rotten tomatoes

but good for running a *.bat


the issue of it looking like win8 ( metro)
is Gnome3

this was a very bad move on the gnome development team - that made it look like metro
-- a very bad move !!!
Gnome2 was great


just use the KDE desktop or lxde or xfce

there are many different desktop managers that can be used

now Microsoft only has ONE !!! Desktop manager
" Windows Explorer"
fedora has many
https://spins.fedoraproject.org/
gnome3
kde
xfce
lxde
mate
e17

and one i have never seen before

soas

https://spins.fedoraproject.org/

cmd.exe was superseded by PowerShell and has been all but obsolete for at least 5 years. Before that scripting languages like JavaScript and VBSCript could also be used from the command line (I was doing it 10 years ago). So, while there's an argument that Linux shells and scripting languages are better command-line administration of Windows hasn't relied upon cmd.exe for a good many years at least not amongst those I have met who do it for a living.

which, imo should really say something to those who listen in the whole 'command line vs gui' debate, the fact that Microsoft went through the trouble of building in a more powerful command shell into windows should say something about the usefulness of command lines.

Indeed, as should be existence of Server Core.

I have used Fedora since 2010, after the death of Mandriva.
I have used Mageia, a little bit Debian, but Fedora gives recent softwares, I find it easy for the updates, simple to use, so I kept it like my main OS on my desktop and on my laptop, Slackware like second OS.

Anyway, full Linux, no more Windows in my PC's a long time ago ! :)

Doug G wrote:
Not a myth. On a pretty standard linux installation there are well over 2000 CLI commands, and that can stretch to many thousands on more specialised boxes. The last time I looked an M$ Windows 10 box there were around 200. That's just quantity, which alone indicates a flexibility not available in M$'s command line. But it's quality that counts, and it's what you can do with the linux command line that takes it stratospherically out of the M$ domain. Just think of the unix pipe with all that bash and awk and sed and ... over 2000 commands and you should get the idea.

You mean a pipe a bit like this one? What do you find you can't do on the command line, administration wise, on the Windows machines you look after?

I apologize for my comment about the windows command line, although it was accurate I don't want to hijack a perfectly good thread about the merits of Fedora linux.

273 wrote:
I did think that the word "unix" might get in the way of my message because of course the pipe is not uniquely unix. It's the rest of what I was on about that was really important. I might add that when one looks at manpages of command lines in linux installations and compares what can actually be accomplished by many such commands, and compares them with the corresponding pages in M$, the relative impoverishment of capability of the latter is quite apparent. And there are so many fewer of them anyway in M$. In relation to the original question: "What is so great about fedora?" my point was about it being a linux operating system with the power that system provides from the command line, not so much about administration alone, but rather about the power that resides in the masses of scripting tools, the compiler, the programming tools all fundamentally command line.

On thinking about this some more, it occurred to me that you can actually write a whole operating system from the command line on a unix based system ... and that someone actually did that ... for linux ... and for minix ... and for .... I don't have much confidence that anyone could do that from a windows command line, say in windows 10. Firstly, there's no repository where I could download a compiler. But I could download some updates of course.

Doug G, I don't see any need to apologize. No offence taken, and certainly none intended. Thanks for stimulating some thoughts.

Thanks, in the future i will phrase my questions better.

I think Fedora is superior in many ways as apposed to M$ mainly just about any app is a lot smaller. Gross comparisons are SQL Sever and Exchange Server. In Linux these are just apps. Also folks talk about DE's and "fast and light" are used a lot. Even A heavy Fedora 64bit KDE spin installation (size on disk) almost fits inside the amount of ram required just to run win 7 / 10 64bit. The size on disk is vulgar to compare M$ with Linux.

Agreed!

ugika wrote:
Well, how reasonable is it to compare a distribution tried two years ago to a current updated release?

Oh well, that's, well ,just my opinion... Netinstall is probably fine, I simply don't like the default isos...

I pretty sure that the current release became more bloated than two years ago.
ANY software becomes bloated during its lifetime.