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Old 12-11-2017, 05:02 PM   #1
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Weird looking graphics problem upon fresh install.


Ok, so I just installed Fedora workstation 32 bit, here's the version:

[bog@localhost ~]$ uname --all
Linux localhost.localdomain 4.13.16-202.fc26.i686+PAE #1 SMP Thu Nov 30 16:04:58 UTC 2017 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
[bog@localhost ~]$ cat /etc/fedora-release
Fedora release 26 (Twenty Six)
[bog@localhost ~]$

The problem is that when I boot, I end up with a bizarre warped image (screencaps attached at the end of this),

But before you look- I want to point out two things-

The installer worked fine- a visual GUI install, on the same monitor with the same computer, etc.

Further, when I give up and press the power button, I get the image of... a white sky with reflections of pine trees over a lake? Is that the default background or something? In which case, it looks perfectly fine.

So with both of those things in mind, clearly this isn't a problem with my hardware, but with something going on within fedora (or gnome - fedora's default is gnome, right?) So this isn't an incompatibility with fedora itself, the hardware all works and it could handle it fine...

If that's the case, and it's gnome, I'm totally fine to try kde of even xfce. Hell, I'd even prefer those. Anyway if I can get gnome to work, fine,

So anyway, here's the images, one is a closeup of the other:

How bizarre is this:

https://ibb.co/b39UHw

https://ibb.co/evXYcw

The weird mouse cursor can move around and also it can go offscreen on the left side...

I can switch into command line and the text is all normal there. So.... ?

Thanks in advance,

rw

Last edited by Rotwang2; 12-11-2017 at 05:14 PM.
 
Old 12-15-2017, 06:39 AM   #2
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Check for lines with "EE" in /var/log/Xorg...
 
Old 12-26-2017, 09:15 AM   #3
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Check for lines with "EE" in /var/log/Xorg...
I don't have a var/log/Xorg

Here's what I have:
$ ls -al /var/log
total 4348
drwxr-xr-x. 23 root root 4096 Dec 24 03:40 .
drwxr-xr-x. 25 root root 4096 Dec 15 22:26 ..
drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 4096 Dec 14 11:59 anaconda
drwx------. 2 root root 4096 Dec 15 22:26 audit
drwxr-x---. 2 backuppc backuppc 4096 Aug 2 12:51 BackupPC
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 13752 Dec 15 22:26 boot.log
-rw-------. 1 root utmp 384 Dec 26 10:02 btmp
drwxr-xr-x. 2 chrony chrony 4096 Sep 15 06:19 chrony
drwxr-xr-x. 2 lp sys 4096 Oct 4 10:20 cups
drwx------. 2 custodia custodia 4096 Aug 7 06:21 custodia
drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 4096 Nov 20 11:53 dirsrv
-rw-------. 1 root root 855020 Dec 26 10:05 dnf.librepo.log
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 451258 Dec 17 02:59 dnf.librepo.log-201 71217
-rw-------. 1 root root 2513178 Dec 24 03:05 dnf.librepo.log-201 71224
-rw-------. 1 root root 62403 Dec 26 10:05 dnf.log
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 33033 Dec 17 02:59 dnf.log-20171217
-rw-------. 1 root root 186063 Dec 24 03:05 dnf.log-20171224
-rw-------. 1 root root 2970 Dec 26 10:05 dnf.rpm.log
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1566 Dec 17 02:59 dnf.rpm.log-2017121 7
-rw-------. 1 root root 8964 Dec 24 03:05 dnf.rpm.log-2017122 4
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 0 Dec 15 22:26 firewalld
drwx--x--x. 2 root gdm 4096 Nov 30 09:22 gdm
drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 4096 Nov 13 11:06 glusterfs
-rw-------. 1 root root 15783 Dec 26 10:05 hawkey.log
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 8857 Dec 17 01:58 hawkey.log-20171217
-rw-------. 1 root root 44564 Dec 24 01:04 hawkey.log-20171224
drwx------. 2 root root 4096 Oct 25 08:36 httpd
drwxr-sr-x+ 3 root systemd-journal 4096 Dec 15 22:26 journal
-rw-rw-r--. 1 root utmp 292292 Dec 26 10:10 lastlog
drwx------. 3 root root 4096 Dec 14 11:19 libvirt
drwxr-xr-x. 2 ntp ntp 4096 Aug 4 00:55 ntpstats
drwxrwx---. 2 root root 4096 Aug 4 02:09 opencryptoki
drwxr-xr-x. 2 root root 4096 Dec 14 11:11 pki
drwx------. 3 root root 4096 Dec 14 11:16 pluto
drwx------. 2 root root 4096 Aug 4 07:35 ppp
-rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1040 Oct 26 06:30 README
drwx------. 3 root root 4096 Dec 14 10:58 samba
drwx------. 2 root root 4096 Nov 8 05:25 speech-dispatcher
drwxr-x---. 2 root root 4096 Dec 17 03:25 sssd
-rw-------. 1 root root 64064 Dec 14 11:55 tallylog
drwxrwx---. 2 tomcat root 4096 Oct 25 11:11 tomcat
-rw-rw-r--. 1 root utmp 2304 Dec 26 10:10 wtmp

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Old 12-26-2017, 03:36 PM   #4
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Are you aware of the following?
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_t...yland_problems
 
Old 12-26-2017, 04:11 PM   #5
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No. Sigh. So even though I'm installing fedora workstation 27 with vanilla hardware and it ran the gui installer just fine, I still need to fiddle with some config files or something to get kde to work? After a vanilla install?
 
Old 12-26-2017, 04:46 PM   #6
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So even though I'm installing fedora workstation 27 with vanilla hardware and it ran the gui installer just fine, I still need to fiddle with some config files or something to get kde to work? After a vanilla install?
That's not the point of mentioning that page. As of Fedora 25, you get Wayland by default, and it can be helpful to switch to Xorg temporarily just for comparison, graphically on GDM's login screen. Have you tried that yet? No need to touch config files.

And now you mention KDE? Does that mean you've tried a live image with KDE that works but not anymore after installation?
 
Old 12-26-2017, 05:31 PM   #7
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That's not the point of mentioning that page. As of Fedora 25, you get Wayland by default, and it can be helpful to switch to Xorg temporarily just for comparison, graphically on GDM's login screen. Have you tried that yet? No need to touch config files.

And now you mention KDE? Does that mean you've tried a live image with KDE that works but not anymore after installation?
Oh, no, I did the regular net-install dvd. A live image is a good idea, but I just checked and the only live image they have is 64 bit. This PC is 32 bit; old.

But I'll try the wayland instructions right now, thanks,

rw
 
Old 12-26-2017, 05:51 PM   #8
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Ok here's what happened:


Ok that doc (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_t...yland_problems ) starts with asking about the gear button, but I don't even have that, I have that ugly weird gray arrow. So should I try doing this?:

https://community.kde.org/KWin/Wayla..._a_nested_KWin

But anyway:

echo $WAYLAND_DISPLAY provided no results, blank, empty. so I couldn't run the next line instructed in the that doc

So I moved on to:

$ xwininfo
xwininfo: error: unable to parse display name ""

$ echo $DISPLAY

(It was empty.)

$ WAYLAND_DEBUG=1
$ echo $WAYLAND_DEBUG
1

And then I figured out that this is all about applications not running, and that's not the problem right? I mean unless KDE is considered an "application" of Wayland?
 
Old 12-26-2017, 06:40 PM   #9
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Oh, no, I did the regular net-install dvd. A live image is a good idea, but I just checked and the only live image they have is 64 bit. This PC is 32 bit; old.
How old?

What is the last version of Fedora that worked for you?
Fedora 25 was the last to offer i386 spins as far as I remember.

And why do you throw in so many terms like XFCE, KDE or GNOME when you use a netinstall and could choose something more simple/light-weight to begin with?

It makes no sense to follow Wayland debugging guides, if you log in on a virtual console instead of a graphical desktop session. If I had to look into issues with a desktop install failing to start, how about running as superuser root "init 3", then "startx" for testing?

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Old 12-26-2017, 07:03 PM   #10
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OK, sure:

It's from 2008.

Fedora workstation (27, the latest) still supports 32 bit.

I've never run Fedora on this, the last thing on it was CentOS 6.9. CentOS no longer supports 32 even for workstations, so hence I'm switching to fedora because I still want to be in the RHEL line.

I was saying that if I can't get this to work I'd be willing to compromise with with an X that's more lightweight. In fact, if you think we've exhausted this route and I should just try switching to xfce, lemme know, sure. I mean I guess the problem is- wouldn't it still try giving me a login prompt in a different environment to let me pick xfce? I'm not even getting the prompt. Or can I get it to do the login prompt in kfce?

I'll try init 3 and startx in a minute,

thanks

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Old 12-26-2017, 07:26 PM   #11
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Wow well that was interesting:

So, it was able to open a normal looking screen and mouse with the background image, but then cut signal to the display briefly and gave signal back, and when it did, it was, like 4 windows asking to select language (you know, the normal setup sequence stuff). (Each one asking for language selection.) And the mouse worked- I could mouse over all four of them.

And then it turned off signal again and went back to just the background, and then turned off again and went back to the four, etc etc etc; Oscillating

It's still oscillation right now actually.

Anyway like I said, I'm fine to switch to xfce... Is that as trivial as a yum install and then changing some config file for startx and then running startx?

thanks
 
Old 12-27-2017, 04:34 AM   #12
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It's from 2008.
Can it get somewhat more detailed? CPU? Hardware? Graphics card?

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Fedora workstation (27, the latest) still supports 32 bit.
As of Fedora 26, it's no longer one of the primary architectures. Packages are still built for i686 (not really i386 since Fedora 12 has moved to optimizing for i686 already which excludes i586 and older), but that doesn't mean much due to different amounts of testing the software may have seen. There may be some developers and users left, who use parts of the distribution on 32-bit computers, but the project tries to move away further from 32-bit and i686. You belong to an absolute niche market, if you want to run the i686 distribution packages. // https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures

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I've never run Fedora on this, the last thing on it was CentOS 6.9.
So, no prior experience with it. Originally, RHEL 6 was based on components taken from Fedora 12 and 13. That's a long time ago.

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CentOS no longer supports 32 even for workstations, so hence I'm switching to fedora because I still want to be in the RHEL line.
The Fedora distribution is not part of the RHEL line of products.

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I'm not even getting the prompt. Or can I get it to do the login prompt in kfce?
Well, nothing would stop you from booting into runlevel 3 by default. Nothing would stop you from launching a simple window manager such as Openbox directly, with no display manager like GDM/KDM in front of it.
 
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Can it get somewhat more detailed? CPU? Hardware? Graphics card?
Sure, it's this:

http://global.shuttle.com/news/produ...l?productId=81

Quote:
As of Fedora 26, it's no longer one of the primary architectures. Packages are still built for i686 (not really i386 since Fedora 12 has moved to optimizing for i686 already which excludes i586 and older), but that doesn't mean much due to different amounts of testing the software may have seen. There may be some developers and users left, who use parts of the distribution on 32-bit computers, but the project tries to move away further from 32-bit and i686. You belong to an absolute niche market, if you want to run the i686 distribution packages. // https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures
Oh that's all good to know. I was going by what was offered on the official download page for getfedora.org, here: https://getfedora.org/en/workstation/download/
Which provides a 32 bit install, which is what I used.

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So, no prior experience with it. Originally, RHEL 6 was based on components taken from Fedora 12 and 13. That's a long time ago.
Yes, no prior experience with it (never claimed to!), and yes, that was a long time ago.

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The Fedora distribution is not part of the RHEL line of products.
Yes I'm well aware- I should have said something like "derivative of the red hat line". (As opposed to Debian or Slackware. )


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Well, nothing would stop you from booting into runlevel 3 by default. Nothing would stop you from launching a simple window manager such as Openbox directly, with no display manager like GDM/KDM in front of it.
Oh I thought that runlevel 3 was without any x at all- as in, servers. Runlevel 5 has the gui, no? So you're saying I could just have it boot into runlevel 3 and then still start startx even though I'd technically be in runlevel 3?

I'm probably misreading that, sorry.

thanks
 
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Intel GMA 900 graphics. Nothing I'm familiar with. Pentium M is Pentium 4 based and should not be the culprit.

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Oh I thought that runlevel 3 was without any x at all- as in, servers. Runlevel 5 has the gui, no? So you're saying I could just have it boot into runlevel 3 and then still start startx even though I'd technically be in runlevel 3?
You could read up on it at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel and "man runlevel" since with systemd the
old runlevels are obsolete. The runlevel defaults as you may know them from older distributions are just default runtime targets to boot into. Runlevel 5 could be changed to not start a display manager by default, and runlevel 3 (and others) could be changed to start X by default. The primary reason to boot into runlevel 3 instead of 5 would be to avoid automatic starting of the display manager, since that one causes you troubles already. You would end up at the text mode console where you could log in and "startx" manually for testing.
 
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Intel GMA 900 graphics. Nothing I'm familiar with. Pentium M is Pentium 4 based and should not be the culprit.


You could read up on it at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel and "man runlevel" since with systemd the
old runlevels are obsolete. The runlevel defaults as you may know them from older distributions are just default runtime targets to boot into. Runlevel 5 could be changed to not start a display manager by default, and runlevel 3 (and others) could be changed to start X by default. The primary reason to boot into runlevel 3 instead of 5 would be to avoid automatic starting of the display manager, since that one causes you troubles already. You would end up at the text mode console where you could log in and "startx" manually for testing.
Oh wow that's great information about runlevels being basically obsolete- well that just shows my old age! (Well, that plus shown by the fact that I've got two 32 bit shuttle devices from 10 years ago. Sigh.)

Well actually, you don't need to avoid x from starting in order to get to a text console. There's two ways to get to a terminal even if you've booted into a broken x (unless it's outright freezing the *entire* system):

You can either ctrl-alt-4 (or wait, it might be ctrl-alt-f4), or if you have ssh installed you can just login from the outside.

(Admittedly the latter option, you can't run startx. startx throws an complaint and won't run unless you're at the actual machine console. Well, but the former is the real deal, it'll still work since you're not sshing in.)

Did I just blow your mind

Oh lastly- as for the graphics card being an unknown, well- remember, the installer had no problem displaying on this same gfx card, so... right? So between the 32 bit processor and the gfx card, neither could be the villain.

Anyway, I'm gonna just do, like "yum install xfce". And then how do I switch startx to run xfce instead? Is that something you can tell me in a sentence or is it complicated and I should go RTFM? no problem, lemme know, thanks again,

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