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Old 07-19-2004, 05:21 PM   #1
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Tons of lockups in gnome, firefox/gftp/quanta/others crash without notice


Some general info about my setup:

OS: Fedora Core 2
Desktop: Gnome
Browser: Firefox 0.92

Athlon XP 3200+
1024MB DDR 2700 RAM
nVidia nForce motherboard (with video card, ethernet, etc. built in)

All brand new hardware. Was running FC2 on my 1.2Ghz celeron box with no problems before. After setting it up on this new hardware I feel like I'm running windows 95.

1. Tons of random crashes. Firefox, quanta, gftp, and others crash without warning (they just *poof* disappear from my desktop. no warning, no trace).

2. Leaving the box sitting overnight often resulkts in complete lock-up by the morning (mouse won't move, can't ctrl+alt+shift+f1 to get to console login, nothing). Thought it was the screensaver doing that, so I disabled it - but same thing.

3. Most recent crash was with quanta, loading it up caused complete lock up, no mouse movement, nothing. No kernel panics or anything

I've run yum to update X,org and several other programs, but I see no difference. I know there's got to be a fix for this, I trust Fedora Core 2 is more stable than this. I'd really like to stay with this, I've played with FC1, FC2, RH9, Mandrake 10, and FreeBSD lately and would like to stick to one instead of switching around...

Any ideas?
 
Old 07-19-2004, 06:26 PM   #2
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I got a hell of a time with my nforce2 board lately - bad thing is that I don't remember what I did to get this started because I am not at home often and I'll be damned if I remember when this whole mess started.Thought various times I had it but it still does random lockups whenever it feels like it.
Some people seem to have to success with disabling apic and acpi but no such luck for me.
Changed drives and cables - no luck.
I even sunk low enough to install w2k on the box to see if that crashes,too but it didn't so far meaning that a hardware failure is pretty much out of the question.
 
Old 07-19-2004, 06:39 PM   #3
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Yeah I really don't think I'm having hardware issues either. the windows xp install that came on the box was as rock solid as can be. I'll try disabling acpid and see if I notice any difference.. thanks for the help
 
Old 07-19-2004, 07:12 PM   #4
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I am trying this "noapic nolapic acpi=off" right now.The whole thing without the nolapic didn't do anything for me.There is a lot of info about kernel patches and stuff out there but I don't why I should need that.The thing was-running-fine-one-time after all.You don't have two hdd's in there by any chance?I think things went south for me when I added a drive.
 
Old 07-19-2004, 07:41 PM   #5
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Yeah I have a 160GB /80GB, master//slave on the primary controller. The 80GB isn't being used right now, though.
 
Old 07-19-2004, 07:58 PM   #6
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If the nolapic thing doesn't work one of the drives goes in my box just to see if that does anything.
 
Old 07-20-2004, 12:19 AM   #7
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I'm still getting bad crashes with Quanta. It crashes very frequently when trying to save a file....could it be the hard drive?
 
Old 07-20-2004, 08:36 AM   #8
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Sure - could be the harddrive,bad cable,bad RAM,bad mobo,power supply problem or just the xserver crashing for whatever reason.
But if you just changed distros and then things went down it is not likely that it is hardware related.Although strange things do happen.
You can check the xfree logs to rule out the xserver and run memtest to check the RAM for errors.There are some utilities to check the drive but most of those are trying to destroy it to see if it's bad.Like this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/va-ctcs/
There is also some utility that can read the drive status and check for errors the drive is reporting but I forgot what it is called since it was not very helpful to me in the past.
http://www.linalco.com/comunidad.html - ide-smart.Can read smart info from ide drives.
The only way to find out about the cables,mobo and power supply is to change them.
I did all this except for the power supply and the mobo.
 
Old 07-20-2004, 10:51 AM   #9
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Ok - mine is going so far with only one drive.Compiling stuff for 8 hrs. without a hickup.Which leads to the question 'how do you get two drives to work?'
It seems that there was a patch that was rejected because the big guy feels that the vendors should fix their BIOS's.I'll try to hunt that down and see what happens if it stays stable with one drive - don't think my file systems can take much more of this.You might also try to go back to one of the distro's that worked fine for you since all distros apply their own kernel patches and that might be your problem in this case if another distro was working fine for you with the same setup.
All this only applies if you are reasonably sure that your hardware is ok.I figured if w2k can run on it without a problem the thing can't be shot.
 
Old 07-21-2004, 03:25 PM   #10
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Now I tried running Firefox and quanta from an xterm to see if there's any output to stdout or stderr, or a segfault, but nothing. It's like the programs shut themselves down cleanly, for no reason.

I'm going to try unplugging the other hard drive, then my extra ram (I put an extra 512mb in recently).
 
Old 07-24-2004, 04:48 PM   #11
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JeffCT: I had an awful lot of problems with onboard nvidia geforce4 video. On both Abit and Asus motherboards. The only solution I found was to buy a cheap Geforce2 video card, and install that instead. It seems that onboard video doesn't work well with the nvidia drivers.

Though, I know that others have had success. I haven't tried the very latest drivers that make some changes for geforce4.

Cheers,

Ross-c
 
Old 07-25-2004, 06:44 PM   #12
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Two drives work fine with kernel 2.6.7 but no other one.At least not for me.Didn't have any trouble with the onboard video or a video card but the newest nvidia driver doesn't work with a 2.6.7 kernel and usb2 enabled in the kernel - just goes to a blank screen and sits there for eternity (this is with the onboard).
 
Old 07-27-2004, 02:50 AM   #13
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Took out the second drive - no change. Still the same crashes.
Going to try my old geforce card instead of the built-in one, see if that makes a difference.
 
Old 07-27-2004, 06:21 AM   #14
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I just tried the latest nvidia drivers. On my machine, the 6106 drivers didn't work property with either the onboard geforce4 graphics, or the geforece2 agp card.

I'm using 4496 at present.

Cheers,

ross-c
 
Old 08-11-2004, 04:44 AM   #15
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It looks like it was the RAM I added. The machine came with 512MB stock, I added another 512MB. After taking it out, I haven't had a single crash. I figured it was the ram when I put Windows XP Home back on, and it was crashing as well. With Windows, the apps wouldn't crash but the kernel would. In Linux, the apps would crash but the kernel wouldn't.
 
  


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