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Old 09-17-2009, 05:01 PM   #1
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Power management failure on Fedora 11


I don't see a flood of complaints with a similar problem when I google it (maybe I just can't find the right keyword), but I have the same lack of response to my power settings on both of my computers, one Intel and the other AMD dual core. Both are 64-bit,and I can provide other information, including hard drive specs, if necessary. No matter what I do with my settings, my Fedora 11 computers will sit and run my screensaver (or blank screen) indefinitely - they will not go into sleep, or standby mode. Since I prefer to reboot and re-launch programs as infrequently as possible, this is a bit of an issue. If it's just a need for the right driver which the setup DVD missed, then I need to know where I could find Fedora drivers (not the manufacturers, cough cough). Please help if you can, and thanks.
 
Old 09-17-2009, 05:25 PM   #2
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Fedora 11 has numerous power management issues... It has been a problem since Fedora 9 - some machines seem to be ok but many others are not. (I would add that power management worked _perfectly_ on this same machine on Fedora 9). I would suggest you troll through the bugzilla.redhat.com site and see if you can find similar bug reports as you have. My machine's power management hasn't worked correctly since Fedora 9. I have logged numerous bugs regarding these problems but have had no joy. I have (almost) given up expecting it to be fixed. And that's my rant for the day!
 
Old 09-17-2009, 07:06 PM   #3
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Fedora 11 has numerous power management issues... It has been a problem since Fedora 9 - some machines seem to be ok but many others are not. (I would add that power management worked _perfectly_ on this same machine on Fedora 9). I would suggest you troll through the bugzilla.redhat.com site and see if you can find similar bug reports as you have. My machine's power management hasn't worked correctly since Fedora 9. I have logged numerous bugs regarding these problems but have had no joy. I have (almost) given up expecting it to be fixed. And that's my rant for the day!
Please do, I hate to be ranting alone, and it would seem like I am when WTF??? - if you're right, and it's a genuine article bug, not an installable driver issue, when it's two releases later, then Linux-world may as well be buried in penguin-doo!

I saw only one or two bug reports through the google shotgun, but to my disbelieving eyes appeared no fixes. Ubuntu does this too, by the way, so which is why I'm not quick to blame the distro people, but then maybe there's a problem at a higher level than distro level (could Gnome have anything to do with it?).

I'm really more inclined to believe that my hard drive needs driver support, for compatability with the "journaling" behavior which I've read about on ext3 and ext4 partitions. The question then would be when the manufacturers don't support Linux (do any of them), then is the Linux community doing so, anywhere? I already ran the command printed in the Fedora official faq, which was supposed to list all of the drivers available for download:

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yum list akmod-\* \*-drv\* kmod-\* dkms-\*
Considering just how many hardware items may be involved in a Fedora install, the output list was remarkably short (the rpm fusion repos are enabled), and I didn't see my hardware products listed (I used the Ubuntu-standard lshw to print out everything soon after I bought my computers).

I'd be really grateful if somebody could give me a clue here on how this could be fixed, even if that is to go file one more bug report!

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Old 09-17-2009, 07:18 PM   #4
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It's unlikely that you need special driver support for your hdd as you suggest. Go to the redhat bugzilla and see the many bugs filed against power management. You are not alone.
 
Old 09-18-2009, 07:24 AM   #5
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It's unlikely that you need special driver support for your hdd as you suggest. Go to the redhat bugzilla and see the many bugs filed against power management. You are not alone.
I must have gone there already through google, just scanning my google hits for content - so, I would be wrong to say there were no complaints, although they seemed to be few on my specific concerns. Anyway, if there is a widely know problem, a problem that's known in ubuntu-debian world too, and then (I know this with ubuntu), it's an OLD one, and still the penguin princes won't do anything about it, then they must be choking on their own arctic-preserved crap.

Anyway, the theory which I believe is that it's ext3/ext4 related (journaling keeps the hard drive in constant motion), an unforeseen problem which is considered an acceptable tradeoff within penguin circles, where none want to take a step back with their linux-centric creation.

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Old 09-18-2009, 06:12 PM   #6
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You must have me confused with some kind of Windows fanboy! No way dude.

If you want to rant and rave against Linux go ahead and find some anti Linux forum somewhere.

I was just trying to help you solve your power management problems on Fedora.
 
Old 10-05-2009, 01:24 PM   #7
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Fedora 11 has numerous power management issues... It has been a problem since Fedora 9 - some machines seem to be ok but many others are not. (I would add that power management worked _perfectly_ on this same machine on Fedora 9). I would suggest you troll through the bugzilla.redhat.com site and see if you can find similar bug reports as you have. My machine's power management hasn't worked correctly since Fedora 9. I have logged numerous bugs regarding these problems but have had no joy. I have (almost) given up expecting it to be fixed. And that's my rant for the day!
First question: why would we go to a Redhat Bugzilla site for a Fedora issue? Redhat is well behind Fedora, I would expect the Bugzilla to be way behind, too.

Second question: does the plethora of power management bugs also explain why I don't often get Wireless connectivity restored after taking the machine out of Suspend? Or is this a wireless/NetworkManager issue?

Last question: is there a list of machines that are OK or a list that are known not OK?
 
Old 10-05-2009, 10:03 PM   #8
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First question: why would we go to a Redhat Bugzilla site for a Fedora issue? Redhat is well behind Fedora, I would expect the Bugzilla to be way behind, too.
redhat bugzilla is where you log all fedora bugs

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Second question: does the plethora of power management bugs also explain why I don't often get Wireless connectivity restored after taking the machine out of Suspend? Or is this a wireless/NetworkManager issue?
I would get onto redhat bugzilla and do a search for your particular problem, starting with the type of wireless chipset you have. (use lspci to find out)

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Last question: is there a list of machines that are OK or a list that are known not OK?
Don't know the answer to this one, but remember "google is your friend"
 
Old 10-19-2009, 01:21 PM   #9
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Progess...

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redhat bugzilla is where you log all fedora bugs


I would get onto redhat bugzilla and do a search for your particular problem, starting with the type of wireless chipset you have. (use lspci to find out)
I found Bugzilla issue#s 512349, 239377 match what I have been seeing. Nothing even specific to any WiFi chipset.
 
Old 10-19-2009, 03:08 PM   #10
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I found Bugzilla issue#s 512349, 239377 match what I have been seeing. Nothing even specific to any WiFi chipset.
Now is the time for you to create a new bug report on bugzilla. Describe your problem as accurately as you can and also mention the two bug reports you have found, saying that they are similar to your own. Good luck and I hope you have some luck getting this resolved.
 
  


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