Well, I finally have decided to try Linux, and went with Fedora Core 1 for my first time around. I've been a PC user since early DOS days, so command lines don't worry me. But after installing it twice now to get a feel I do have a few questions.

1) What is the best way to update Fedora? Obviously Up2Date is rather buggy and unusable in this distro.

2) On my previous install, I managed to get Up2Date to upgrade the kernal at least. However, on GRUB it then appeared as though I had two installations (one for each kernal). Is this normal? Is there a way to have only the upgrade appear on the boot loader?

3) I tried using the recommended apt-get to update a couple of things (Mozilla, mostly, since Core1 only has 1.4). However, even though it reported success, Mozilla was not updated. Is there something else I need to do that wasn't listed in the other guides?

Any and all information is welcome. Sorry if these have been asked before, but browsing through the forums didn't quite garner all the answers. Much appreciated.

-makaelin

"2) On my previous install, I managed to get Up2Date to upgrade the kernal at least. However, on GRUB it then appeared as though I had two installations (one for each kernal). Is this normal? Is there a way to have only the upgrade appear on the boot loader? "

Yes. This is normal. Up2Date installed the new kernel in parallel with the first rather than dropping it on top of the old kernel. That way your system
will still work if the new kernel is buggy.
The bootloader configuration is in /boot/grub/grub.conf. Log in as root and edit that file to remove the entry for the kernel you no longer want. This does not remove the kernel from your hard drive. It merely removes it from the boot list.


1) and 3)
You can maintain your system with command line rpm, kpackage, gftp, and your web browser. It is harder to learn than the automated installers but also far more flexible and reliable.


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Steve Stites

Thanks, Jailbait.

Another couple of questions have come up, as well. (Sorry for being so daft..)

First, I installed with just the default Personal Computer packages. In Add/Remove, it shows that I don't have KDE installed, just GNOME. Yet KDE appears in the desktop changer. I also have the Konqueror web browser with no apparent way to get rid of it. Any way to get those out of there since they're not displayed in Add/Remove as being installed packages? (Konqueror doesn't show as a package at all).

Second, I removed the Games packages, but can't seem to remove the Games menu in the main GNOME taskbar menu (the one accessed from clicking the red fedora).

Sorry for the assault with trivial and n00bish questions. And thanks again for the previous reply, very helpful.

another way to keep updated similar to apt-get is yum. yum installs the same way apt does and its commands are pretty alike too. i have them both installed but either one should do the job.

I would concur with Vid about using yum. Search this fedora forum. That's where I found info.

My Mozilla doesn't work either. Even with updating. My linux box is not my primary machine, so I just use Konqueror as a web browser there, pine as my mail program.

Welcome to Linux. It's a good place for Windoze refugees.
Bucky

"In Add/Remove, it shows that I don't have KDE installed, just GNOME. Yet KDE appears in the desktop changer."

Another way to find out what you have installed is to use this command:
rpm -qa | sort | less
You can exit less by typing in q.

"(Konqueror doesn't show as a package at all)."
You can find out what package installs konqueror but asking what package installs on of the konqueror files. Use:
which konqueror
to find out where Konqueror is.
Then use:
rpm -qf /usr/bin/konqueror
to find out which package provides konqueror.
Then use:
rpm -ql kdebase | less
to see what else is provided with kdebase. Then decide whether you want to get rid of everything in kdebase, including konqueror. If you do then:
rpm -e kdebase
which I don't recommend that you do. You could see the results of the command without doing any damage with:
rpm --test -e kdebase

Read:
man rpm
now that you have a basic idea of how rpm works.

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Steve Stites

If you run any KDE programs you will not be able to remove konqueror, I believe it comes with the kdebase package, for instance if you use K3B for burning CD's you will not be able to remove konqueror since K3B relies on KDE and QT.

As for the menu you will have to turn on editing in gnome, the method is here then even though konqueror is still installed you can delete it out of the menu: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...e+menu+editing

Plus for the games did you remove kdegames

rpm -qa | grep kde
rpm -e kdegames-as-listed-above-exactly

You have to do this or it won't remove the package. This will remove the game entries.

HTH, Let us know how it goes

Thanks, everyone. All that was really helpful, and the fix for editing the GNOME main menu worked like a charm. I really appreciate the responses!