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Old 07-28-2004, 09:58 PM   #1
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Japanese input?

Is there a HOWTO out there for installing Japanese input in Fedora Core 2? I've searched on google and found out that FC2 uses IIIMF instead of the older, more common kinput2 method (for which there is a ton of instruction pages). As for installing/using IIIMF, I've hunted for some sort of manual/documentation, but have been unable to find it (or recognize it if I did find it)... I've installed/yum'ed the Canna package, and several IIM packages, including the canna-le package. Regarding IIIMF, yum says I've got these installed:
Installed package: iiimf-client-lib.i386 1:11.4-46.1.svn1587 matches with
Installed package: iiimf-le-canna.i386 1:11.4-46.1.svn1587 matches with
Provides Japanese Canna engine for iiimf-server
Installed package: iiimf-le-canna.i386 1:11.4-46.1.svn1587 matches with
Japanese Canna engine for iiimf-server
Installed package: iiimf-le-canna.i386 1:11.4-46.1.svn1587 matches with
Installed package: iiimf-protocol-lib.i386 1:11.4-46.1.svn1587 matches with
Installed package: iiimf-server.i386 1:11.4-46.1.svn1587 matches with
Installed package: iiimf-docs.i386 1:11.4-46.1.svn1587 matches with
Installed package: iiimf-csconv.i386 1:11.4-46.1.svn1587 matches with
Installed package: iiimf-x.i386 1:11.4-46.1.svn1587 matches with

Currently on my system some selective ps listings says these are running:
[user@localhost log]# ps -e |grep canna
2360 ? 00:00:00 cannaserver
[user@localhost log]# ps -e |grep htt
2348 ? 00:00:00 htt
2349 ? 00:00:00 htt_server
2724 ? 00:00:00 httx
2726 ? 00:00:00 htt_xbe

The /var/log/messages file says:
Jul 28 18:31:25 localhost su(pam_unix)[2333]: session opened for user htt by (uid=0)
Jul 28 18:31:25 localhost su(pam_unix)[2333]: session closed for user htt
Jul 28 18:31:25 localhost IIim: htt startup succeeded

but then it later says:
Jul 28 18:31:44 localhost htt_server[2349]: Client shut down the connection owned by im_id(1).
Jul 28 18:31:45 localhost htt_server[2349]: status has not been enabled yet. (1, 1)

The only two things I have done other than install the packages are:
1) I added a /sbin/nologin user named "htt" because an earlier check of /var/log/messages showed this:
Jul 28 18:17:44 localhost su: user htt does not exist
Jul 28 18:17:44 localhost IIim: htt startup failed

2) On the advice of one of the web pages, I added a file to my home directory called .i18n that contains the line:

Anyway, the end of all this is that when I hit the toggle key combination of CTRL + Space to switch input from English to Japanese, I get bupkiss.. nothing happens, and I keep typing in English.

So where am I a moron, and where the "fm" that I should have rtfm'ed? Many thanks for any help you can give... I'd like to see how this new and sexy IIIMF stuff works before just giving up in disgust and trying to get kinput2 working.
edit(2): typo(s)

Last edited by clausawits; 07-28-2004 at 10:00 PM.
Old 07-31-2004, 08:08 AM   #2
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well, in case somebody finds this in a search, I've got this working now, but I'm still not 100% sure how/why.. the extra bits I've done since the earlier post are, I found this web page: which listed some packages I didn't have on my computer in this line:
rpm -Uvh iiimf-csconv-*.rpm iiimf-client-lib*.rpm iiimf-protocol-lib*.rpm iiimf-docs*.rpm iiimf-le-unit*.rpm iiimf-gtk*.rpm iiimf-x*.rpm iiimf-server*.rpm

I yum'ed them onto my computer and I still couldn't tell if things were working.. I played around with the im-switch command and set it to iiimf. Still couldn't tell if anything was working. I remembered there being a menu about input method that came up when right-clicking in gedit, so I brought up gedit and right clicked. Input methods there seemed to be set to default still.. so I set it to Internet/Intranet Input Method. Still nothing.. So then I remembered a picture from that webpage listed above that showed a language picker thing coming from the gnome panel, so I right clicked on the panel and hunted around for anything that looked appropriate. Eventually, I found Add to Panel|Utility|Input Method Switcher. I added that to my panel, after making some space. Adding it to the panel didn't seem to work for the first five times I tried it, but then it finally worked. I don't know why. It showed up as just the word "English" on the panel. I tried gedit again, but still no japanese was showing up, so I cliked on the "English" and saw the choices of "ASCII", "English", and "Add or Remove". I clicked on Add/remove, located japanese, cliked "Add", clicked close. Then I clicked on "English" on the panel again to pop up my choices, selected Japanese and voila, I was typing in Japanese!

I'm still not sure of everything that's going on.. sometimes the panel thing says English, sometimes it says [EUROPEAN].. when I'm typing Japanese, it says [あ] usually. Sometimes I can type in mozilla in Japanese easily, other times it only wants to type in Japanese in gedit. wakaranai.

It would be nice if someone wrote up some definitive install directions.. everything I 've seen has said basically, "install the packages, hit CTRL-Space, and start writing in Japanese!".. my experience has not been that way at all..

Anyway, I've got it working now.. sort-of... I think.. and I'm not even sure how or why..
Old 08-01-2004, 09:14 AM   #3
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update: again, in case someone else finds this in a search... (I've given up on getting help in here.. on this esoteric subject)

Well, I did one test with this and sent email from one webmail account to another, and it appeared to work fine. But then again, I sent the email and read the email both from this computer. When email in Japanese was sent from this computer to another person, they replied that it was gibberish, and they couldn't read it no matter which way they switched the encoding (the recipients were using a Japanese edition of Windows, XP, I believe).

Ugh... something is still not right. I think my wife thinks I'm crazy to persist in trying to use Linux... from her point of view, nothing ever works right. Or if it does, it requires several days of fudging with it and checking the forums...

I'm a bit frustrated right now.
Old 08-01-2004, 08:50 PM   #4
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You could try

Home page of the Tokyo Linux Users Group

I personally use the older kinput2 but...
Old 08-02-2004, 06:59 AM   #5
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ZenDragon-- thanks, I'll look into that site some more..

After more in-depth testing on the japanese email issue, I found out that apparently, if Mozilla is set to "Western" character encoding (as it automatically keeps switching you to if Hotmail is set to English) , and you enter the Japanese stuff it will result in gibberish (even though it looks fine on the screen).

So anyway, when I want to write in Japanese, I have to go up to the mozilla character encoding and change it to Japanese.

oh well.. I think things are back to sorta working.


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