Hi,

I'm definitely done with systemd (don't event try to argue), I'd like to get back to sysvinit or openRC.
Does anybody managed to succeed ?

Is there any way on unhatting a Red Hat system? Probably yes. You will have an uphill battle designing your own system. They had handfuls of programmers set that up. It is viewed as an essential system component, and may have multiple functions.It is probably integrated into everything. Is it worth it? NEVER! And I am no fan of systemd.


If, despite the above, you are going ahead in Fedora, put in initng, or maybe the linuxfromscratch boot scripts and systemV. Be aware that your libs may/will clash with Fedora's ones(which get overwritten each update). Better put them in a separate dir with an LD_LIBRARY_PATH= statement.

Back up any useful data, (photos, docs, 'music' or whatever) for the reinstall before you begin.

If you want a steering wheel, don't use a segway.

Nope. Don't even try, you'll be wasting enormous amount of time and most likely won't succeed.

Here are some alternatives to systemd with some brief descriptions:

Epoch: is a single-threaded init system designed for minimal footprint, compatibility and unified configuration.

nosh: is an init setup.

runit: is an init scheme with service manager.

OpenRC: is a dependency-based and event-driven init somewhat like BSD.

monit: is a service manager and supervisor type.

uselessd: is a fork from systemd and is a modular init system. It sort of says what's excessive with systemd's design and is a reduced type of system.

You could research them to see if any of them fits your interests.

Thanks.
Do you think it's possible to get OpenRC on Fedora ?

I guess you may have spotted this site:
https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php?t...ive_to_systemd
I haven't got around to doing it myself yet. It looks like if you start installing it, it might help you along with conflicts that arise. Good luck with it if you have a go. It's on my agenda down the track. And, yes, I think you could do it on fedora, but I can't say how at this point.

Then choosing a Linux distribution that doesn't offer Systemd (as primary init?) should be your first step.

As others have said the integration is kind of tight, well-Q/A'ed and part of the release (procedures), so any such self-inflicted, unsupported, invasive, all-encompassing modification ensures you won't be running Fedora any more, and more importantly ensuring system updates will mess up your precious changes. So unless you have your own build system, take the time to consolidate updates with your anti-Systemd patches and manage to patch critical ones when they need patching, this will minimally lead to you excluding certain packages from updates, or worse: maybe even not update at all, which would be bad and not the way to run Linux, or even Fedora, at all.

Hence choosing a Linux distribution that doesn't offer Systemd (as primary init?) ensures you are covered on all fronts and any argument against this is counter-intuitive, inefficient, unsafe and not really worth any time discussing.

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Mmm.
Indeed, the wise choice seems to be dropping Fedora.

Thanks everyone.

Slackware? No systemd there. Mind you, there is more work.

I'm already a Slackware user, but intended to use Fedora for some projects.

Just before you pull the shutters, you might like to have a look at:
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/OpenRC
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenRC
which take it out of the fedora realm, but may be of interest.

Personally, I put up with Fedora, but restrict it to a vm. There is enough novel software (The Electronic &scientific groups, for instance) and a well integrated java that make it nearly a must have - at this moment.

business_kid wrote:
Yep, that's what I do, but I find it's nice to play around as well.

I've been playing around - see the 'windows 10 upgrade horrors' thread in General.
I installed the vfce group, will remove gnome, and boot to runlevel 3 as things stand. That will be back to normal soon. I have taken my pick of good stuff from the Electronic group. I rarely update - totally counter to project philosophy, but no thank you, I do not want to be an alpha tester for RHEL tweaks and patches. I am sick of it crowding boot with failed initrds, dud kernels, and generally nasty stuff. And every install has a measured life if you compile anything ever.

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