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Old 05-22-2005, 12:23 AM   #1
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Installing xfree86 of Fedora core 3.


Hi,
Can I install xfree86 on fedora core 3.
I do not like xorg companies ethics nor do I like it crashing my computer causing me to reboot every 15 minutes.
Any help will be good.
 
Old 05-22-2005, 03:21 AM   #2
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You shouldn't blame Xorg for your own installation troubles. AFAIK you are the only one having trouble with this in FC3.

To install Xfree86 - first you go to the Xfree website and then you follow your nose. Chances are you'll need a new kernel as well - it is probably easie just to find another distro which still uses Xfree.

You understand that there has been a wholesale defection from Xfree because of that organisation's ethics?
 
Old 05-22-2005, 08:19 PM   #3
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Hi,
You shouldn't blame Xorg for your own installation troubles. AFAIK you are the only one having trouble with this in FC3.
This is video card incompatibles.

To install Xfree86 - first you go to the Xfree website and then you follow your nose.
What do you mean buy this?

Chances are you'll need a new kernel as well
Why?
Which distors carry it?

You understand that there has been a wholesale defection from Xfree because of that organisation's ethics?
What do you mean by this too?
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You shouldn't blame Xorg for your own installation troubles. AFAIK you are the only one having trouble with this in FC3.

To install Xfree86 - first you go to the Xfree website and then you follow your nose. Chances are you'll need a new kernel as well - Chances are you'll need a new kernel as well

You understand that there has been a wholesale defection from Xfree because of that organisation's ethics?
 
Old 05-22-2005, 08:32 PM   #4
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Go check at distrowatch, you may find some distros that are using xfree86 but most current linux distros and bsds don't use xfree86 anymore due to various issues, that you can research on the web.
 
Old 05-23-2005, 02:06 AM   #5
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Go check at distrowatch, you may find some distros that are using xfree86 but most current linux distros and bsds don't use xfree86 anymore due to various issues, that you can research on the web.
Hi,
What issues?
I have had more issues with xorg.
Do you think I need to make my own linux to have xfree86?
 
Old 05-23-2005, 02:41 AM   #6
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Your problem does not seem to be with xorg. Its most likely a hardware problem of something to do with your configuration. The issues I meant about xfre86 are not strictly technical, but ethical as well thats why I said search on the web to find out why they are being dropped from a lot of *NIXes.
 
Old 05-23-2005, 02:01 PM   #7
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My guess is

My guess is that if you are having trouble with xorg because of hadware compatibility you will likely have trouble with XFree86.

Maybe you should blame your hardware vendor for not providing linux support.

In any event. Try a xFree86 based distro, it sure will be easier than trying to switch fedora to use it.

Try with Puppy Linux I am sure it is xFree86 based, besides being a very light weight distro. This could be a good experiment and you won't loose a lot of time downloading and trying it.

If you have the same problems as with xorg you have four alternatives

- Change your hardware
- Pester the vendor to provide a linux driver
- Program your own driver (well I never know if you are an advanced developer)
- Give up on linux for the time being until you change your hardware or it is supported.
 
Old 05-23-2005, 03:36 PM   #8
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Hi,
I solved by downgrading to Redhat 7.3.
 
Old 05-24-2005, 12:12 AM   #9
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wellander: You poor thing - RH9 has Xfree86 too ... and it usually ships with the 2.4 kernel so it support usb natively.

Xorg problems are quite simple to fix - they are usually user issues: something not configured correctly. I remember I had trouble with my display constantly crashing until I set it for a lower refresh rate. This seems to be a FC problem, since the older RH distros, as you've seen, seem to do an better job of detecting hardware requirements. Probably newer hardware dosn't need the detection process to be so detailed, or possibly there have been so many enhancements/ new drivers that most users are better off configuring HW themselves.

On the subject of issues: nobody will tell you them for three main reasons;
1. you didn't tell us what you meant by Xorg ethics that you didn't like
2. the main issues are to do with Open Source vs Proprietary (Xfree are no longer GPL compliant) and tend to create long and unproductive threads. This is undesirable.
3. you show a reluctance to find out for yourself. In case you didn't notice, part of the linux paradigm is to find out for yourself. So things that are easy to find on the web tend to just get replies along the lines of "go look on the web". Maybe there'll be a google search hint. When you see this, the replier is usually looking at the web page in question and has a list of 30000 or so other hits.

Considering the GPL issue - your question amounted to "How can I go about using proprietary code in my kernel?" As you can image, sites promoting GPL/OS are unlikely to receive this well.

You would have been better recieved if you had stated what your display problems were and what you've tried to fix them. Wouldn't you rather have an up to date distro?
 
Old 05-24-2005, 01:07 AM   #10
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Hi,
They are not display problems. Xorg causes my computer to lock up completely.
 
Old 05-24-2005, 05:37 AM   #11
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Yes all right ... I'll rephrase:

You would have got a better responce if you had stated your problems and what you have tried ... like how you know it's Xorg that is freezing your computer?

There are many reasons for FC3 to freeze up at odd occasions, sometimes related to X sometimes not. Also, bad display configs acn cause a system to freeze at random too.

This problem, such as you related, is associated with 2.6.11-1.14 kernels as well as nVidia cards.

Have you seen this discussion?
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showth...ghlight=freeze

To really solve this problem - post a new thread in this forum:

Give it a good title, like "FC3 system freezes in 15mins"
Then give your hardware, kernel and so on as well as more detail. Is this a std install or have you tweeked it for eg. What have you tried to get it right. Since you suspect Xorg - state this and explain why.

This would be an annoying problem to fix since you only have 15 mins to do anything. Most people upgrade the kernel via yum update, and this often solves this kind of issue. If you have manufacturer modules, you will have to recompile these as well.
 
  


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