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Old 12-16-2008, 01:13 PM   #1
I_M_Tired_Of_XP
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Fedora 10 Live USB - Cannot install RPMs


I have installed Fedora 10 Live (i686) on a 4Gb USB flash with the full 2047Mb allotment for system settings and user data. I am using the USB drive on an Asus Z62F Laptop, Core Duo 2.0Ghz, with 2Gb RAM. The default operating system on my Laptop is Windows XP (NTFS). My video, audio, and LAN drivers appear to be all working fine.

I would like to install Adobe flash plugin for Firefox so I can watch youtube videos and play games on the web. I have so far tried the "yum", which is only 4Kb and left me with a "waiting for other processes to finsih" error (which did not go away until I restarted the computer), and the regular i386 RPM (flash-plugin-10.0.12.36-release.i386) which left me with the following error:

"failed to get a TID: A security policy in place prevents this sender from sending this message to this recipient, see message bus configuration file (rejected message had interface "org.freedesktop.PackageKit.Transaction" member "SetLocale" error name "(unset)" destination "org.freedesktop.PackageKit") (0)"

I also wanted to install Wine, but I cannot find a download (build) anywhere for Fedora 10. Also, if I attempt to change system settings, do I need a root account to do that? It automatically logs me on everytime as "liveuser"

If I download an RPM installer, shouldn't it "just work" similar to a windows executable??? And what is a "yum" anyway???

Last edited by I_M_Tired_Of_XP; 12-16-2008 at 01:19 PM.
 
Old 12-17-2008, 06:11 PM   #2
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It looks like, I think, a couple different issues have been raised here. First, what exactly do you mean when you say 'I tried the yum'? I presume you somehow invoked the command "yum" in some way, as you got a response. My hunch is that a graphical front-end for yum such as PackageKit was doing a routine check for updates, which got nullified when you rebooted.

Second, as you say, you are using a live distro. Have you set up some sort of 'persistent' store, so that you can keep your changes after you reboot? Note that by nature live cd's etc. do not retain saved files/settings. after you shut them down. IMO if you're already serious about using it for everyday purposes then a traditional disk install would be the way to go.

Third, RPM's are NOT mutually intelligible. You cannot just double-click them and expect them to magically work. They have been each compiled against a specific set of libraries and are seldom compatible with one another. If you're using Fedora 10, and are still a somewhat novice user, then use ONLY Fedora 10 rpm's from a trusted mirror. The best way to get these is through yum. If you wish to expand your horizons and install additional repositories (non-Fedora rpm's) then search for a tutorial on this (try googling 'fedora add repository' or similar).

Flash, in particular, is best obtained from the Adobe flash site http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ in tar.gz form. Download this file and extract it. You should set an installer file which you will have to make executable (chmod +x <filename>). Then find out where your browser is. If you're using firefox then open a terminal and type 'which firefox'. Now run the (executable) installer as root. So, to use root, type 'su -' and press enter. You will not be prompted for a password since this is a live system. Then run the executable installer and follow the instructions, using the path that 'which' gave you for the installation target.

Finally, if you want wine, just type "yum install wine" as root on the terminal.
 
Old 12-17-2008, 08:59 PM   #3
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The system made a 2047Gb storage file on the flash drive for system changes. I know it works because firefox remembers my browsing history when I log back on. I used a special app to convert the Live installation disc into a bootable flash drive. The so-called "yum" RPM file is only four kilobytes, so I know that it cannot have the flash program in it.

"You should set an installer file which you will have to make executable (chmod +x <filename>)" what does that command do? Should I just type it in the command prompt box? How do I know the file path?

"Now run the (executable) installer as root." there is no option to log on as root account on there; it automatically logs me in as live user.

What Linux distro would you recommend I use anyway, if I simply want to run Linux off of an external drive? (I really do not want to screw up my XP installation) I think installing the OS to an external drive and booting my computer through USB would be the safest way for me to use Linux; that way I could also boot on another computer if I wanted too. I would really like something user friendly and not be bothered to key in a password every time I boot the OS. I've got a 4Gb flash drive right now but I could easily get something larger if I needed to.
 
Old 12-17-2008, 09:08 PM   #4
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you no fedora core is a good community but to jump right into 10 that is a bleeding edge distro made for the people that work out problems. to help make stable. fc8 is very stable but the FC people do not like you using mpg or wmv so you will have to customize the system to you can watch movies. fc 9 is getting better. Un like slackware that comes out very stable FC is a very good on the edge system. I am still working on f9 problems. but hey f10 went another direction hope I can catch up. you know go get puppy linux and run it live then install it on the flash. puppy is a slackware based ditro and it is all run from a root stance and that way you do not have to learn how to the unix side of the linux system.
su
passward
nautilus
or su
password
konqueror
sudo nautilus
password
sudo konqueror
password.

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Old 12-18-2008, 01:37 PM   #5
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I think I misunderstood a bit. The YUM file from the adobe site basically contains a repository definition file that, when installed, can let you install flash from the fedora program called "yum." In short, it does not contain the flash program itself. So you should be able to doubleclick this file and it should install the definitions for you. Now you need to invoke "yum" (as root) to actually install flash. If you see "waiting for other processes to finish" just try waiting a few minutes.

When I said before to log in as root, I was referring to the command line. There isn't a way to graphically log in as root. (As far as I can tell Fedora doesn't allow this anymore and this isn't unique to live systems). What you need to do is open up a command line and type

Code:
su -
You won't be prompted for a password since you're on a live system. Now type on the command line

Code:
yum install flash-plugin
And it should find and download the appropriate package. You might as well get wine while you're at it (yum install wine).

IF that doesn't work then try going back to the download site and get the linux tar.gz file. Save this to your home folder. Now open up a command prompt and invoke the following:

Code:
tar -xzf install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz
(unzips archive)
Code:
cd install_flash_player_10_linux
(change directory the folder that just got created)
Code:
chmod +x flash_player_installer
(makes the file execuatble, that is, let's you run it like a 'program', if you're really curious try looking up chmod on Wikipedia)

Now do su - to log in as root, and then change directory to your home folder (cd /home/<your.user.name>/install_flash_player_10_linux).

Code:
./flashplayer-installer
(don't forget the dot slash in front)

Then just follow the instructions. When asked for an installation path, try /usr/lib/mozilla and see if that works.

But Drakeo is right, you will need external programs to play mp3/wmv and such, as Fedora can't include support for that due to patent restrictions in USA. You will need some binary packages for programs like MPlayer or Xine. Since you're using a live USB system, building apps from source probably isn't a good idea; the compilers and libraries will quickly fill your drive, and the large number of read/write cycles on compilation will quickly wear it out. You might have a look at http://rpmfusion.org/ for this and read some of their tutorials.

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