f16 acceptable video cards
when I installed f16 it said gnome going into fallback mode because your video card stinks
is there a spec that defines the attributes of an acceptable card? is there a list of approved cards? maybe I'll buy one if it doesnt cost too much and doesnt use much power. I'm not into graphics - use my computer to write - program - read the web - store my photos; but curious to see what I'm "missing" |
Usually you get that message when your video driver does not deliver proper 3D acceleration. Any card from the last 8 years (estimated) should be able to run Gnome Shell. Which video card do you have? If you don't know please post the output of
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OK, the ATI Rage XL in your system is in fact a shrunken version of the Rage Pro, which was released in 1997, IIRC. Since you also should have the onboard Intel i865G (according to your chipset) I would recommend to remove the video-card and to try it with the onboard video card.
When I see the age of your system and the components on your mainboard I assume that you also don't have a fast CPU and large amounts of RAM I would recommend to try it with a more lightweight desktop environment, like XFCE, MATE or LXDE instead of Gnome Shell (default on Fedora). |
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It sounds like you understand this subject - thanks for helping me 1) I read the motherboard spec - I have the 865PE which does not have the video, video being on the 865G. 2) My system is not off the shelf - but an accumulation with various parts updated at various times. My cpu is a Pentium 4 3.06 gHz with 1 GB memory. Considering that I started on the anfsq7 in the 50's - stepping up to the pdp8 - etc - this seems like a hotrod to me. 3) Can you suggest a minimal video card that might meet the f16 spec? I don't want a power hog since they generate heat, waste power, and wear out power supplies - and I don't do anything that needs graphics. I'm just a bit curious to see what I'm missing. Maybe I should just buy something and try it on my backup disk to see what it is all about - that way my normal disk is untouched? 4) I would be happy as heck to try a lightweight desktop but am concerned that I may mess up the fedora environment. Am I safe in having both? Maybe I should make an additional backup and then try to install one on it? Any suggestions? I have lots of stuff on this fedora system that I want and need. Appreciate your wisdom |
Keep in mind that you need an AGP video-card, the modern PCIe cards won't fit into your system. All cards AGP nowadays are considered to be lagacy and only get driver support with legacy drivers from the manufacturer. You also can use the open source drivers. If you want to use open source drivers I would recommend to go for a cheap ATI/AMD Radeon card, like the HD4350, if you want to go with the proprietary drivers I would recommend to go for Nvidia (legacy support is in general better with Nvidia), for example a cheap Geforce 6200.
Both cards will be more than sufficient to run modern desktops. Regarding seeing your system as hotrod, how would you call modern systems then? For example, my main system has a six-core CPU and 16GB RAM, which is in the upper middle-class pretty much standard. |
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As regards your system - it seems like a race car compared with my bike - but all I want to do is go to the park down the street. And my 10 speed bike is so much more useful than my roller skates. Just out of curiosity - what do you do with all that computing power - design atom bombs? A Univac in every garage! |
I use it to run several virtual machines at the same time, compiling software completely in RAM, converting videos and of course I am a gamer.
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I'm of to do my homework on the cards you suggested |
just to add a few thoughts
on an OLD machine i would run CentOS6.3 or ScientificLinux6.3 ( and maybe the even OLDER 5.8 ) i have a box form 2000 / 2001 that has a Nvidia gforce2 card the card is SO old that xorg no longer even supports it -- the opensource nouveau driver dose --- so the very last fedora version i was able to run on it was 10 RHEL has a very long life so using Cent or SL on old hardware will keep it running for a bit of time As far as i know the ATI based Rage card is also not supported in current Xorg so fedora will not work well ( but i am NOT and expert on ati cards ) and if you can pick up one of the last nvidia AGP cards ( all / most of them are now LEGACY ) gforce4 or the old gf 5 FX that one "says it is still supported ???? might not be with xorg an old nvidia card should go for about $25 to $50 ( might be free in a used bin ) |
John and Tobi
I realized that I have a newer machine that my wife uses to look at Craig's list - my son used to use it to play games - so I swapped drives This hardware has a pcie video card - but I am not hep enuf to know whether it is doing its thing when I run lspci I get Quote:
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the computer is Memory: 939.9 MiB Processor 0: Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E4500 @2.20GHz Processor 1: Intel Core 2 Duo CPU E4500 @2.20GHz and I'm on a MSI P6NGM motherboard [/quote] It is so great to be able to ask experts! |
You have a Geforce 9400GT in that newer machine. This card is perfectly fine to run Fedora 16. regarding the drivers, the free nouveau driver that is currently in use on the machine lacks proper power management, video acceleration and is not really performant. Unless you have political reasons to not use proprietary software I would recommend to install the Nvidia driver.
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and fallow the fedora nvidia guide
the older page "F16,F15 & F14 Nvidia driver guides" http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=204752 this is the fedora 17 ( current version of fedora) "F17 Nvidia guide " http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=280750 i recommend using the fedora provided kmod-nvidia rpm |
Hi Guys -
I took the fedora-kmod option and I'm now up on the new driver when I run lspci I get Quote:
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at this point do i have what i want to have? I realize there is an issue of diplomacy since I could not follow both sets of instructions. So at this point should I have the full gnome 3 experience? Again - thanks guys |
Doesn't seem to look different.
Does seem to be faster - particularly in Thunderbird when I select multiple lines. That operation was SS LL OO WW (only in Thunderbird) before and now its normal. Can you suggest an operation that would show off the benefit of this improvement? |
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