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Old 08-13-2004, 08:29 PM   #16
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know what? i'm just gonna re-install from the debian net installer. and i'm going to consult you guys about what to go where. you know about debian, i don't yet. so here goes.
 
Old 08-13-2004, 08:32 PM   #17
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know what? i'm just gonna re-install from the debian net installer. and i'm going to consult you guys about what to go where. you know about debian, i don't yet. so here goes.
There is no need to reinstall there is just something stupid happening when you install alsa.
 
Old 08-13-2004, 08:32 PM   #18
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booting the net installer to innstall the 2.6 kernel by default.... anything i should look forward to while this is loading, booting and configuring?
 
Old 08-13-2004, 08:48 PM   #19
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experience has taught me that when i'm only a day or two past the installation process and something goes wrong for more than a few hours and it was working a little while ago. that i should re-install and watch out or atleast look more closely this next time. Now i know i have to look out for my Nvidia card, and i also have to look out for alsa.
 
Old 08-13-2004, 09:08 PM   #20
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i think that if you would have tried out our suggestions, you would have made some progress fairly quickly.

however since you are going to reinstall the entire system, when you get to the installation boot screen, type "linux26" to install the 2.6 kernel from the get-go.
 
Old 08-13-2004, 09:10 PM   #21
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do any of you know of a linux GUI that requires less than 48Mb of RAM? i'm working on an ooold computer here while i wait for my main comp to re-install.
 
Old 08-13-2004, 09:13 PM   #22
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icewm is fairly lite. i don't know exactly how small, but i've heard that you can run it on a 200 MHz pentium or maybe slower.

you could install a basic debian system with icewm as the wm for ur old system.

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Old 08-13-2004, 09:23 PM   #23
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experience has taught me that when i'm only a day or two past the installation process and something goes wrong for more than a few hours and it was working a little while ago. that i should re-install and watch out or atleast look more closely this next time. Now i know i have to look out for my Nvidia card, and i also have to look out for alsa.
Yes but is that experience with windows, Debian is not like that almost all problems have a solution out there somewhere the only time I have ever had to reinstall was when I issued a badly formed sed command in the root directory that basically destroyed my system and that was like a year and a half ago when I first started using Debian I think I could recover from even that today. You already now how to install the nvidia driver all you have to remember about that now is that every time you upgrade your kernel when you reboot to the new kernel the X server will fail so you use CTRL + ALT + F1 then /etc/init.d/gdm stop and the command to compile the driver restart the X server and you are good to go. The problem with alsa is a strange one we still need to know how you were installing it and which packages you were installing and the output of lspci -v would be nice. You mention problems with the sound card built into the motherboard as to why you have installed the extra sound card did you make sure that in the BIOS you have disabled any options for the sound card to prevent any problems with Debian detecting both of them. And I would agree with zero79 Debian would do fine on your old computer. It does not install a whole lot of extra junk you will most likely never use and there are plenty of lightweight window managers out there I have heard flubox is pretty good. I only use KDE and have successfully run it on an old Cryix 200 with 64 mb of ram with a decent sized 512mb /swap it is a little slow loading some of the larger apps but once opened it works fine.
 
Old 08-13-2004, 09:33 PM   #24
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ok, reinstalled. it only has the 2.6 kernel on there. i set up just the basic graphical desktop. and the one modification i've made was the 1280x1024 setting. if this works then i'll try to get my Nvidia graphics card installed and working. right now i'm using the generic nv driver. any suggestions how i should get the nvidia driver? any specific route? should i get it from the website or use that one guy's script?

thanks.
 
Old 08-13-2004, 09:45 PM   #25
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if you're going to delve into gnu/linux, you need to have a certain degree of patience. we can help you, but you need to work with us. you'll learn a lot more if you fix the problem yourself, rather than doing the windows one-size-fits all reinstall solution. debian has a steep learning curve. but once you get the basics, you're pretty much set to handle just about any problem without ever having to do the reinstall thing.

for ur old system, you need only install a minimum package base, allowing your system to perform optimally with a modern, stable os. anyway, if something doesn't get configured quite right during your installation, please at least try the suggestions if you post here.

i'd say read each installation configuration dialog carefully before making selections. and take notes about what you had to do to get the system up and running in case you ever need to do the same thing again.
 
Old 08-13-2004, 09:53 PM   #26
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i've never used the script, so i don't know how well it works.

if you download the driver from nvidia's site, you need make a couple configuration modifications to /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file (the script does that for you automatically i think). the changes are very simple nonetheless.

download the nvidia driver first. switch to a virtual console using CTRL-ALT-F1. log in as root. stop the desktop manager

/etc/init.d/gdm stop

to install the nvidia driver, you need to make it executable by the user

chmod +x <nvidia driver>.run
./<nvidia driver>.run

you'll get some errors that the installer couldn't prefetch the kernel or something like that, eventually, it will ask you if you would like to compile the nvidia kernel module. select yes to that question. fix the x config file

vi /etc/X11/XF86Config-4

vi is a console-based editor. to edit the file, press INSERT. to save the file, press ESC and type ":wq"

you need to change the line that says "driver nv" to "driver nvidia" and comment out (using #) the "load dri" and "load glcore" lines. start the desktop manager again

/etc/init.d/gdm start

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Old 08-13-2004, 09:57 PM   #27
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one of the main reasons I reinstalled was because for a little while i just jumped right into installing random packages. i was searching for mp3 support, DVD support, etc. and for the most part i wasn't fixing one thing at a time. right now, I fixed the screen resolution size. my problem was that I was changing the wrong file. i was changing the one that was the XF86.... not the XF86...-4 file. (oops) i learned something there. it works now. the Nvidia driver was installed correctly this time. i just had to go into 'init 1' first then just follow it's instructions. and apt-get the kernel-headers when it asked for the source. and when it asks for the 'gcc' get the 'gcc' program AND the suggested dependancies. i do have a major question. is there anyway to get apt-get to automatically get the suggested dependancies? i wasn't able to catch all the suggested ones when i installed the suggested ones for 'gcc'. now for sound. should I start a new thread? or keep going on this one?

Right now, Video card drivers work. screen resolution works. Sound.... not yet....

should I get alsa? what should the first step be for setting it up in Debian? I would rather have Debian support the sound card the CT4810 rather than the built in motherboard sound. how do I disable the MOBO sound module? oooh, when installing NVidia it said there was a module that would conflict. i had it in mind for a moment, but lost it when trying to remember the module command that would remove it. does anyone know how to help with either? what would that module be, what would the command be to remove it from the kernel?

thanks again...
 
Old 08-13-2004, 10:02 PM   #28
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the module was rivafb, do "lsmod" . if it isn't listed, you're good to go. no conflicts. i say start your sound card questions in a new post.
 
Old 08-13-2004, 10:08 PM   #29
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i checked with "lsmod |grep rivafb" and it turned up nothing... yay! one thing down.

ok, i'll start the sound in a new thread.

thanks for all the help zero, and tux. you two have been really helpful and you really know what you are talking about. hopefully soon I will too... hehe
 
Old 08-13-2004, 10:19 PM   #30
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one of the main reasons I reinstalled was because for a little while i just jumped right into installing random packages. i was searching for mp3 support, DVD support, etc. and for the most part i wasn't fixing one thing at a time. right now, I fixed the screen resolution size. my problem was that I was changing the wrong file. i was changing the one that was the XF86.... not the XF86...-4 file. (oops) i learned something there. it works now. the Nvidia driver was installed correctly this time. i just had to go into 'init 1' first then just follow it's instructions. and apt-get the kernel-headers when it asked for the source. and when it asks for the 'gcc' get the 'gcc' program AND the suggested dependancies. i do have a major question. is there anyway to get apt-get to automatically get the suggested dependancies? i wasn't able to catch all the suggested ones when i installed the suggested ones for 'gcc'. now for sound. should I start a new thread? or keep going on this one?


One thing you should start using is the -s with apt-get (eg. apt-get -s install gcc) this simulates the actions of apt and allows you to review its output before installing if you are working at the console the add | more to the command to page the output then you can use the space bar to get one page at a time of output(the "|" character is a pipe or broken bar as it is also know on my keyboard it is a shifted \). Then you can simply add the packages you have seen that you want to the install line then remove the -s from the line when you actually want to install.

For the mp3 you should install the package xmms and most of the suggested and recommends you see in its ouput. For the DVD all I needed to have installed are.

Code:
>$ dpkg -l | grep libdvd
ii  libdvdcss2     1.2.8-0.0      Simple foundation for reading DVDs - runtime
ii  libdvdread3    0.9.4-5        Simple foundation for reading DVDs
Which you can get from this in your /etc/apt/sources.list.
Code:
## Various Multimedia Helper Apps Mplayer, Real, etc.. ##
deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main
You may want to install the w32codecs and mplayer packages that are available form this site as well.

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Right now, Video card drivers work. screen resolution works. Sound.... not yet....
Good so far.

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should I get alsa? what should the first step be for setting it up in Debian? I would rather have Debian support the sound card the CT4810 rather than the built in motherboard sound. how do I disable the MOBO sound module? oooh, when installing NVidia it said there was a module that would conflict. i had it in mind for a moment, but lost it when trying to remember the module command that would remove it. does anyone know how to help with either? what would that module be, what would the command be to remove it from the kernel?

thanks again...
To disable the motherboard sound you should only have to go into the BIOS usually accomplished by hitting the DEL key when you see the message for it when booting. You should post the lspci -v so we can see exactly which sound card you have. All you should really need are the packages I have already mentioned in this thread and doing the configuration to setup alsa.
 
  


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