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50l4r_fl4r3 01-29-2005 03:15 PM

Woody vs Sarge
Which is better? I have sarge, but I'm curious to know, which is better?

leonscape 01-29-2005 03:37 PM

I use SID basically because its very up to date for my desktop system, I'd recommend Sarge for most people at the moment, for anything else. Its going to be the new stable soon ( well hopefully soon ).

Woody is on its way out, so I wouldn't use it now. It's getting old in tooth.

utanja 01-29-2005 03:58 PM

debian sid with custom compiled kernel and gnome....:)

Dead Parrot 01-29-2005 07:06 PM

I've got Debian Sid (wmaker, fluxbox, icewm, afterstep) in my laptop and I'm quite happy with it. It's got relatively new apps (unlike Woody) and the maintenance is easy. Also stability seems to be good (*knock on wood*) despite it's called Unstable (apt-listbugs helps to avoid the worst bugs!).

I recently installed Ubuntu Hoary (equivalent to Debian's Unstable) to another partition on my lappy just to test Xorg, and it seems nice too, although there's not really much difference from Sid -- Ubuntu is basically Debian tweaked to work with the latest gnome desktop. However, I'm not a gnome user so I just installed the Debian base system with Sarge netinstaller, then changed the repos in sources.list to point to Ubuntu's mirrors and got myself Ubuntu with wmaker and fluxbox. :D I might keep Ubuntu for a while but Sid gives me all I really need from a GNU/Linux desktop.

After Sarge has been released there will probably be many big changes in Sid (udev, Xorg, etc.) which may break the system from time to time, so the next Testing branch (Etch?) may actually be a safer choice than Sid, especially for the folks who use those big DE's kde or gnome because they tend to have more problems than smaller window managers. The stable Debian releases are generally better suited for server purposes than for the desktop -- although Sarge will still make a usable and thoroughly tested desktop system for some time after its release. But stable releases don't get new versions of apps, only security and bug fixes, so software gets old quickly in the wonderfully fast changing GNU/Linux land. :)

ironwalker 01-30-2005 12:27 AM

Sid here on 3 boxes....quite stable.

Ruben2 01-30-2005 11:06 AM

I said Sarge, cause it has less bugs than Sid (I have to commit that I've never used it, but that's why it's unstable). And because it has the newest apps.

h2gofast 01-31-2005 06:03 AM

debian sid on an old p3 laptop and sid on an nvidia chip mobo with nvidia vid card. Knock on wood I haven't had any difficulties. Sid related issues are rare, but when they do occur they tend to be limited to one application. I had a problem with fluxbox awhile back that just went away after a few apt-get upgrades. Never had a box brought to its knees because I was running sid, knock-on-wood.:)

denning 02-01-2005 05:40 AM

sarge man!
i installed woody and was dismayed to find i got kde 2.2.2!! wtf!
I know Woody is stable, but I don't think i can tolerate having such outdated packages.

jbstew32 02-01-2005 02:18 PM


Originally posted by denning
sarge man!
i installed woody and was dismayed to find i got kde 2.2.2!! wtf!
I know Woody is stable, but I don't think i can tolerate having such outdated packages.

haha, better than KDE 1.1.2 though right ;)

Seriously though, Sarge is plenty up to date for me and to be honest it's 10000x more stable than some other distros I have used that were "stable"

MS-outLINUX-in! 02-01-2005 02:22 PM

Where do I get sid?
Have just started to love Debian.
Have tried Woody - hm.. gnome 1.4 - not exactly what i expected...
Where do I get sid? Can find only stable and testing on the

MS-outLINUX-in! 02-01-2005 02:25 PM

And i found woody not that stable used it for one month... some X11 programs hang a few times.

MS-outLINUX-in! 02-01-2005 02:27 PM

woody is for older people...

BlueLaser 02-01-2005 06:45 PM

Uh the only way to get sid is upgrade from sarge or woody installation, or buy a disk set

note that only some vendors have the sid disk set.

uberNUT69 02-02-2005 07:15 AM

My rule of thumb is Sid for desktop/laptop and Sarge for server.

macondo 02-02-2005 08:11 AM

woody for servers.

sarge for the "working man", no time to fiddle with dqily updates/upgrades. He/she/it just wants to get the work done. He/she can't care less if he has Firefox 1.0 or 1.2.

sid is for "free souls" who want to learn, fix things, get the latest, learn by trying new things.

Then, there is the hardware restriction. In my case, i use an old PII, Sarge with kernel 2.4.27-2-686, GRUB, and IceWM, is the right combo for my specific hardware. i've tried every combination in Debian (kernels 2.4/2.6, GRUB/LILO, woody/sarge/sid, Ext3/ReiserFS/XFS/JFS), and this is the right one for me.

As for other distros, Debian is the only one worth my time, the rest are either bloated or uncivilized.

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