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Old 08-09-2015, 03:25 AM   #1
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Where To Find a Debian Install (CDROM Iso-Hybrid Debian-Install) with EFI partition ?


Hello

I have tested various ISO hybrids on pendrive, and the results are that from the list below not many (actually only one) is bootable. The partitiion is specific and has an EFI.

https://wiki.debian.org/UEFI

Where to find the ISO Hybrids of Testing with EFI, because none is proposed.


The only working one with EFI is:
debian current iso-hybdrid i386
http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/...86-netinst.iso

Code:
|debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso                            |
|debian-live-8.1.0-i386-xfce-desktop.iso                      |
|wily-desktop-i386.iso                                        |
|debian-8.1.0-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso
Code:
WARNING: GPT (GUID Partition Table) detected on '/dev/sdd1'! The util fdisk doesn't support GPT. Use GNU Parted.


Disk /dev/sdd1: 676 MB, 676331520 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 82 cylinders, total 1320960 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x639f344e

     Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdd1p1   *           0     1320959      660480    0  Empty
/dev/sdd1p2            8428        9067         320   ef  EFI (FAT-12/16/32)

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Old 08-09-2015, 04:05 AM   #2
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I have used a few 64 bit versions on USB sticks and not had a problem booting.
The install on EFI isn't, or wasn't in my case at least, straightforward and involves creating EFI and BIOS partitions.
 
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I have used a few 64 bit versions on USB sticks and not had a problem booting.
The install on EFI isn't, or wasn't in my case at least, straightforward and involves creating EFI and BIOS partitions.
you mean that you have to tweak the EFI partition once you did dd if=image-testing-current-bla.iso of=/dev/sdX ?

So you go to your machine, get the content / copy the files of the EFI partition onto the debian install pendrive, and then install?


I have a problem with the BIOS menu. It does not see the Micro SD card !! I would like to boot directly from the SD car but it does not see it at all. I doesnt not show into the bios menu.
I believe that the bios machine does only allow to boot from the mmcbl0k and not mmcblk1, which is very pity because one has to change the mmcbl0k main harddisk.

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Old 08-09-2015, 04:20 AM   #4
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you mean that you have to tweak the EFI partition once you did dd if=image-testing-current-bla.iso of=/dev/sdX ?

So you go to your machine, get the content / copy the files of the EFI partition onto the debian install pendrive, and then install?
No, the USB drive should just boot -- there's nothing special about UEFI that makes it stop booting bootable USB drives. I was referring to the Debian install on the hard drive needing more partitions so that it is seen by UEFI.
 
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No, the USB drive should just boot -- there's nothing special about UEFI that makes it stop booting bootable USB drives. I was referring to the Debian install on the hard drive needing more partitions so that it is seen by UEFI.
I confirm. I noticed that hte debian 7 does not boot at all. wheezy iso debian images cannot boot at all, those have one paritition. Only Debian 8 with EFI partition on the iso hybdrid current debian install iso can boot !!



I have a problem with the BIOS menu. It does not see the Micro SD card !! I would like to boot directly from the SD car but it does not see it at all. I doesnt not show into the bios menu.
I believe that the bios machine does only allow to boot from the mmcbl0k and not mmcblk1, which is very pity because one has to change the mmcbl0k main harddisk.
 
Old 08-09-2015, 04:34 AM   #6
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Best way I have found for creating bootable media for UEFI is by using Rufus. It just worked every time. Set up everything, and boot the USB.

http://rufus.akeo.ie/
 
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http://caesar.acc.umu.se/cdimage/unofficial/non-free/cd-including-firmware/current-live/i386/iso-hybrid/debian-live-8.1.0-i386-xfce-desktop+nonfree.iso

Unfortunately I cannot boot this image since it has NO EFI !

Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x934602e9

Disk /dev/sdd: 8095 MB, 8095006720 bytes
78 heads, 32 sectors/track, 6334 cylinders, total 15810560 sectors
Units = sectors of 1 * 512 = 512 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x6c23f597

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sdd1 * 64 2528447 1264192 17 Hidden HPFS/NTFS




In addition, GPARTED does not know what is EFI ... fdisk yes.
I show here my free with no firwarre bootable current image iso.
THis is my aim to create an EFI like this on the +firmware+testing+live debian.




Do you know where I can find this image with +EFI partition on IT?
http://caesar.acc.umu.se/cdimage/uno...op+nonfree.iso

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You should be able to tell your BIOS to boot from the USB even if it does not have a UEFI partition. It might take some messing about and disabling "secure boot" or some such but it ought to be possible.
I've managed it on two Windows 8.1 laptops with no problems.
 
Old 08-09-2015, 05:09 AM   #9
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You should be able to tell your BIOS to boot from the USB even if it does not have a UEFI partition. It might take some messing about and disabling "secure boot" or some such but it ought to be possible.
I've managed it on two Windows 8.1 laptops with no problems.
unfortunaltey the bios does not like anything else than +EFI debian images.

To get the menu boot, I have to keep pressing on F7, and the magic menu for selecting the USB (efi) appears !!! luckily f7 exists.

This one is Working !! it is seen by the bios, but it does not have LIVE DESKTOP
with efi / seen by bios: http://gemmei.acc.umu.se/cdimage/uno...86-netinst.iso



Do you know how I can see my micro-sd /dev/mmcblk1 ?? I see only sda (usb) and mmcblk0 (which is the main "hard"disk on the machine).
the kernel is 4.0.0-2-586 debian 4.0.8-2 2015-0722 i686 gnu linux

it seems that the kernel of debian is not capable of much.
the intel video card is not fairly much well recognized.
the wifi card is also not recognized.
Man, still out of date and pain to install linux

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I would recommend that you don't use the 386 version on such a modern machine -- you're not taking advantage of the processor's instructions set with a 32 bit install.
 
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I would recommend that you don't use the 386 version on such a modern machine -- you're not taking advantage of the processor's instructions set with a 32 bit install.
Thank you!!
I will try to use better versions.




- This image will allow you to boot after F7 on your modern machine (into the bios boot menu):
debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso
or firmware-testing-i386-netinst.iso http://gemmei.acc.umu.se/cdimage/uno...86-netinst.iso
It has recent kernel and an "ef" partition with efi.
you will have to force with xforcevesa since it is quite buggy still.




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Could someone make a >8.x LIVE DEBIAN WITH EFI???? Here it is shown on Ubuntu how to make one...
http://askubuntu.com/questions/39587...usb-live-media





- I will give a try to :
http://saimei.acc.umu.se/cdimage/uno...d64-build3.iso
EDIT: THIS ONE IS BOOTING AND HAS EFI !!!



- here http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/un...i-development/
there is NO DEBIAN LIVE EFI cdrom image


- Whith this command you can already check what will work or not, if you have hidden ntfs and not "ef" partition, then you are doomed to make it boot on your modern machine:
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ls *.iso | while read -r i ; do echo ; echo ; echo "---------------------------------------" ; echo "IMAGE:$i" ; echo ; fdisk -l "$i" ; done | less
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Could someone make a >8.x LIVE DEBIAN WITH EFI???? Here it is shown on Ubuntu how to make one...
http://askubuntu.com/questions/39587...usb-live-media

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2276498

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Prepare the disk with partitions. GPT is probably most reliable for this, but MBR will work on at least some systems, too. Be sure to include an EFI System Partition (ESP) and (if you use GRUB 2) a BIOS Boot Partition.
Install 64-bit Linux to the USB drive. (A 32-bit Linux will boot in EFI mode only on those rare 32-bit EFI-based PCs or with the help of a 64-bit EFI boot loader. These days, you're probably best off with a 64-bit Linux.)
Install a BIOS-mode boot loader (probably GRUB 2, but GRUB Legacy patched with GPT support, SYSLINUX, or LILO will work, too).
Install an EFI-mode boot loader/manager (GRUB 2, Fedora's patched GRUB Legacy, recent SYSLINUX, rEFInd, or gummiboot) in the ESP as EFI/BOOT/bootx64.efi.

The Debian installer, of course, has things set up in its own way, so step #2 will involve figuring out how the installer works and "translating" it to work from the USB flash drive.





- Is it possible to install Debian without touching or tweaking Windows 8 and changing (locked to fast boot) BIOS ????
(German language)
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Experten-Info:

Hat man sich entschieden, ein EFI Bootmanagement einzurichten bzw. fr Ubuntu beizubehalten, so sind folgende Vorbereitungen / berprfungen auszufhren:

unter Windows 8

Schnellstart deaktivieren

unter Windows 7

Eingabeaufforderung -> "Als Admin ausfhren"

powercfg /h off eingegeben

Fr alle Windows Versionen gilt

Partitionierung darf kein Dynamic Disc Management sein (externer Link)

im EFI-BIOS

fast-boot -> auf [ "Disabled" ] setzen
https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Efi_installieren


IT IS FAIRLY TOO COMPLICATED TO COMMON HUMANS to Install Ubuntu on EFI:
https://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Efi_installieren


THIS METHOD IS BAD !!
YOu DO not NEED TO touch WIndows, You should simply keep pressing F7 at start of your Machine !!!!!!!!! You can then boot menu from your devices.
http://linux.about.com/od/howtos/ss/...dows.htm#step4




You may profit of there links:
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-tou...alled/current/

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Old 08-09-2015, 06:51 AM   #12
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SOLVED - Please use this one for modern machines:

md5sum debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso

3af0ddb2ef4f3a9d88b84b5aaa0507ba debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso


http://gensho.acc.umu.se/cdimage/wee...-xfce-CD-1.iso

It has an ef partition. It has a graphic and console installer.
It has xfce

It will create you a EFI partition automaticaly !

you can then once installed do install xfce for instalance.
Quote:
apt-get install xfce4-settings xfwm4 xfce4-panel

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But it's still 32 bit so isn't using the processor to its full advantage. Sorry to bleat on about it, and you may not even notice, but it seems silly not to use a 64 bit OS on modern hardware.
 
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But it's still 32 bit so isn't using the processor to its full advantage. Sorry to bleat on about it, and you may not even notice, but it seems silly not to use a 64 bit OS on modern hardware.
Sorry it is indeed correct. That one worked, but we need to give a better solution (for SOLVED).

Which nicest iso image would you advise as the "perfect"/better solution for users that are in the similar need/situation?


I point out that F7 at boot will give you the BOOT MENU and you DO NOT need to run WINDOWS OR EVEN RUN IT ONCE !!!!!! keep pressing f7 and power (hold 2s and release power) and keep f7 (at same time to start)

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Old 08-09-2015, 07:28 AM   #15
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Sorry installation crashed because debian installer cannot find which release it is !!

md5sum debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso
3af0ddb2ef4f3a9d88b84b5aaa0507ba debian-testing-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso
http://gensho.acc.umu.se/cdimage/wee...-xfce-CD-1.iso
 
  


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