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shorty_boy 08-25-2005 09:18 PM

Unstable is really unstable...
atleast lately. man it has totally broken my system (ever since they started messing with My system is so broken that the kde menu does not display ne apps and no mime types exist (i always get the open with menu). I can't even open a folder with out having to type in konqueror as the app to open a folder with. I tried to uninstall everyting dealing with X, KDE, and GNOME, but the same thing happens after i re install them all. I even purged all of their config files (and the ones of the files assosicated with those meta packages.) Is there a way to fix this or do i have to reformat and install from scratch. Yes i was using Synaptic before my system broke to the point where i could not install synaptic without un installing KDE. I feel so stupid now!!!! Am i making any sense?

aysiu 08-25-2005 09:33 PM

I've used unstable and not had those problems. I don't know how you got to that point, but a reinstall is probably your best bet. Back up your bookmarks, emails, and files, and reinstall--that's what I would do.

Xian 08-25-2005 10:23 PM

Unstable lives up to its name these days due to the Xorg and GCC conversion. You can reinstall but be aware that you are running a Debian branch that is undergoing some major transitions and as a result you could experience ongoing breakages.

Of course if you are using Unstable then you should already know this.
If you don't like finding & reporting bugs then Unstable is not recommended.

Installing apt-listbugs will help you keep critical bugs off your system while using Unstable, so I would advise using this at all times. Or you could just install Etch, add the Unstable repos to your source list, and simply upgrade selected packages that you want on your system.

ironwalker 08-25-2005 11:16 PM

Unstable works here...once in awhile I'll get something broken afterwards but its easily fixed if you know what is and what isnt supposed to be there.Usually if something is removed you can reinstall it after the upgrade by itself.if it still wont install then wait a day or two and everything will be fixed.Thats whats great about unstable...if theres a problem yopu can opt out and not do the upgrade and wait a day or two for everything to be sorted out.
its not a problem.Your problem most likely accumalated while removeing everything dealing with X,kde, and gnome....had you just said no to the upgrade and waited all would have been fine.chalk it up to user error.Live and learn.

Xian 08-26-2005 12:02 AM


Are you running a Kanotix version of SID or pure Debian SID?
I think the OP is strictly Debian and thus some difference in results....

craigevil 08-26-2005 12:20 AM

Even in the #debian irc they will tell you Sid is majorily broken right now. DO NOT do a apt-upgrade unless you want a screwed up system.

There are many packages that do not have their dependency issues straight. Not to mention xorg, kde, and gcc.

Be safe and use Synaptic or aptitude to manually choose the packages you want to upgrade and pay attention to the apt-listbugs warnings.

Running Sid is a little like a dice toss especially now with the major changes going on.

Unless you know how to fix the problems that are involved in running Sid you might want to try running Etch/testing instead.

makuyl 08-26-2005 01:51 AM

The menu problem comes from getting kdelibs-data 3.4.2 which doesn't match your other kde packages.
Downgrade it to what you used to have either by downloading it from debian web page or looking for it under /var/cache/apt/archives/

ironwalker 08-26-2005 09:53 AM

Haveing only one source addy for kanotix,useing all the debian source addy's makes it pretty much the same system.Granted Kano will put certain pakages on hold if he see's fit...other than that its the same.
The exact same unstable pakages from debian mirrors.

Oh and I run 2 non Kanotix debian boxes as well.

Xian 08-26-2005 05:27 PM


Originally posted by ironwalker
Haveing only one source addy for kanotix,useing all the debian source addy's makes it pretty much the same system.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Out of curiosity, if you only use the Debian SID repos in your source list and do an 'apt-get dist-upgrade', how many packages does it list to hold back, remove, and install? Just post the output from the terminal if you wouldn't mind.

I'm wondering how close your install is to a pure SID system.

ironwalker 08-26-2005 05:51 PM

Haveing just did a dist-upgrade I have;
~$ sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
The following packages have been kept back:
arts cdcat imwheel kappfinder kate kcontrol kdebase-bin kdelibs
kdelibs-bin kdelibs-data kdepasswd kdeprint kdesktop kdm kfind
khelpcenter kicker klipper kmenuedit konqueror-nsplugins konsole kpager
kpersonalizer ksmserver ksplash ktip kwin libkonq4 libtagc0 python-apt
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 30 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
Writing extended state information... Done
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done

When this thread was started only kdebase and kde-libs and kde-libs-bin were on hold as far as kde related.
libtagc0 python-apt arts imwheel was the others.

It changes daily....even if it is just one pakage.

Xian 08-26-2005 06:10 PM

Not allowing for the different KDE packages (which is to be expected), that is a _very_ close mirror to the current Debian SID package list. Thanks for taking the time to post that output. Kano is much closer to SID than I had thought.

ironwalker 08-26-2005 06:38 PM

The only thing that makes Kano different is all the scripts he has to simplyfy all the hard tasks,some different optimisations,and the enviorment he uses has alot of what one would normally have to go and setup from a vanilla debian install.
He does have after HDD install testing sources uncommentted as a fallback but I comment them out and strictly use unstable.Other than that,the directory structure is pure debian.Also all of his scripts work on a vanilla debian install.I use his scripts on my other boxes as well which run vanilla debian.

shorty_boy 08-27-2005 01:25 PM

Well thanks guys
U my whole reason for using unstable was that someone told me that it was extremely stable (considering the name) and some packages that i wanted to use where newest in unstable but i forgot that sarge was about to become the new stable branch (two weeks after that i have been battling with a broken system). I was able to fix minor probs, but once i saw i installed it and that is where my problems started, not to mention that the ati dirver screwed stuff up too. But i figure i'll just do a reinstall and do testing (like i had originally done). Thanks for the info guys i really appreciate it. And to avoid the hassle of debian working with ATI drivers, i think i'll dual boot between debian and redhat (redhat accepts the drivers without a problem).

rednuht 08-30-2005 05:14 PM

be careful downgrading the kdelibs, see

shorty_boy 08-30-2005 07:00 PM

so yeah i just reformatted and installed.
yeah my system i was installed with stable and then upgraded to testing. Fast as iono now (my system was significantly slower before...i guess from broken libs). So yeah thanks for the help and i hope this thread helps other like me!

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