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Old 08-19-2017, 12:24 AM   #1
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Trying To Install Debian 9 Getting This Error


When I try to install Debian Net Install I am getting the error in pictures attached. Any ideas or suggestions to fix it?
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Old 08-19-2017, 01:19 AM   #2
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You can answer no: no firmware will be loaded.
You can answer yes: firmware will be loaded.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 02:08 AM   #3
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You can answer no: no firmware will be loaded.
You can answer yes: firmware will be loaded.
Actually, no. It is not that simple. He first needs to download firmware and place it on, for example USB which he will insert during installation. But best bet would be to just use installation cd/dvd with firmware on. Here are links towards firmware in Debian:

https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/u...ding-firmware/
 
Old 08-19-2017, 07:08 AM   #4
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Try to proceed without loading the firmware. I don't know why Debain included this procedure, I have never seen it working. And it costs a lot of time.

Unless you have very new and special hardware you don't need it. If you really need that firmware, try to search for a Debian Netinstall with that firmware included. It is not offered by Debian for their policy reasons, but others might have assembled installers which include the non-free firmware.

For this specific driver I have not used it so I cannot tell whether those installers are available. On my Dell Inspiron 5759 I also received this message but I could proceed without the fw.

Once installed and updated the sources.list you can install the firmware if needed.

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Old 08-19-2017, 07:54 AM   #5
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Try to proceed without loading the firmware. I don't know why Debain included this procedure, I have never seen it working. And it costs a lot of time.
That is not true and bad advise in general. It is procedure that works, if you have downloaded firmware on USB and inserted that USB when it is needed. Some installations will end up crippled if you follow that advise, specially in cases where that firmware is needed to get working network connections.

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Unless you have very new and special hardware you don't need it. If you really need that firmware, try to search for a Debian Netinstall with that firmware included. It is not offered by Debian for their policy reasons, but others might have assembled installers which include the non-free firmware.
It does not have anything to do with new, or old hardware. It has to do with proprietary and open source drivers. Yes, you do need firmware for some old hardware too. Links above your post point to those installers with firmware included and to the explanation of firmware in Debian. Those "others" are very often same people that made official installers. They simply must be called unofficial, because of Debian policy.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 08:04 AM   #6
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To add to what dejank said, that particular firmware is for a realtek nic so I assume you are using wireless internet access to do the netinstall. If not, the netinstall would fail because your realtek nic would be inoperable.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 10:32 AM   #7
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That is not true and bad advise in general. It is procedure that works, if you have downloaded firmware on USB and inserted that USB when it is needed. Some installations will end up crippled if you follow that advise, specially in cases where that firmware is needed to get working network connections.
Last week I installed Debian 9 on a new laptop. This is the output of lspci:
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jlinkels@dell-5759:~$ lspci
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02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation Wireless 3160 (rev 83)
03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101/2/6E PCI Express Fast/Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 07)
Still the Debian installer harassed me about loading the firmware for RTL6168. It is not there and it is not needed.

The same happened 2 days ago when I installed on a 10-year old Atom PC. I don't care to connect and fire it up again to show it doesn't have this NIC. I have installed Etch, Lenny, Sqeeze, Wheezy and Jessie on these boards without every having to install firmware. And now suddenly in Stretch the free firmware isn't there anymore?

My idea is that the installer always asks for this firmware and I think it is a bug.

So why does Debian ask for it and why is it a bad idea to try skip it?

And if the installation proceeds without the firmware, it proceeds. No way the installation will be crippled in any way. If it can't communicate, it won't install, as simple as that.

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They simply must be called unofficial, because of Debian policy.
That is what I said. This looks a lot like your are saying: "you are wrong to call this ball black. If you look the way I do, you'll see it is black.

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Old 08-19-2017, 10:54 AM   #8
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Still the Debian installer harassed me about loading the firmware for RTL6168. It is not there and it is not needed.

The same happened 2 days ago when I installed on a 10-year old Atom PC. I don't care to connect and fire it up again to show it doesn't have this NIC. I have installed Etch, Lenny, Sqeeze, Wheezy and Jessie on these boards without every having to install firmware. And now suddenly in Stretch the free firmware isn't there anymore?

My idea is that the installer always asks for this firmware and I think it is a bug.
If you think that it is bug, feel free to improve installer by reporting it. Your specific user case is not everyones case. So yes, you are giving bad advice. Some installations need proprietary drivers ( non-free firmware ) to be completed. Some can complete without proprietary drivers, but that warning you receive means that it will leave some parts of your system unusable. For example, you might install with working wireless connection, but until you get proprietary drivers your ethernet will not work ( had that case once ).

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 That is what I said. This looks a lot like your are saying: "you are wrong to call this ball black. If you look the way I do, you'll see it is black.
You are just nitpicking on my post by quoting just one small part of it and taking it out of context because I've said that you gave bad advice.Please reread whole part where that sentence occurs and do not take this personal, because it is not meant to be. Again, your user case is not everyones user case.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 11:29 AM   #9
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Actually, no. It is not that simple. He first needs to download firmware and place it on, for example USB which he will insert during installation. But best bet would be to just use installation cd/dvd with firmware on. Here are links towards firmware in Debian:

https://wiki.debian.org/Firmware

https://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/u...ding-firmware/
What do I do just download that and put it on a USB then plug it in when it asks?
 
Old 08-19-2017, 11:48 AM   #10
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In that first link, you have this part:

Firmware during the installation

In some cases the installer detects the need for non-free firmware and prompts the user to make the firmware available to the installer to complete the installation, see ipw2200 for an example.

Before starting the installation process on hardware unfamiliar to you, a suggestion is to download the firmware tarball for your installation and unpack it into a directory named "firmware" in the root of a removable storage device. When the installer starts, it will automatically find the firmware files in the directory on the removable storage and, if needed, install the firmware for your hardware. The link to the firmware download for your Debian version is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/un...ree/firmware/.

Code name of Debian 9 is Stretch. Look under stretch link, current, download one of those archives with named firmware.something and check its md5sum, or one of its sha sums. If it is valid download, follow instructions above.
 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:36 PM   #11
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Some installations need proprietary drivers ( non-free firmware ) to be completed. Some can complete without proprietary drivers, but that warning you receive means that it will leave some parts of your system unusable.
And this is a satisfactory explanation why the installer asks for firmware which is definitely not installed in the machine?

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For example, you might install with working wireless connection, but until you get proprietary drivers your ethernet will not work ( had that case once ).
Big deal. Once your system is running it is 10 times as easy to install the missing firmware. That is what I wrote in my original post. I was not recommending to leave firmware uninstalled. I was recommending to skip the firmware step during installation if you can get around it.

And then, still, it is easier to find an installer which includes the firmware than trying to put it on a stick and try to load it during installation. Which I also recommended.

After 15 years of Debian installation I know what I am recommending to others.

jlinkels

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Old 08-19-2017, 05:06 PM   #12
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And this is a satisfactory explanation why the installer asks for firmware which is definitely not installed in the machine?
Yes. For further explanation, read first of 2 links provided in my original post. If you still can not understand, that I'm afraid there is no help there.

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Big deal. Once your system is running it is 10 times as easy to install the missing firmware. That is what I wrote in my original post. I was not recommending to leave firmware uninstalled. I was recommending to skip the firmware step during installation if you can get around it.
You can actually finish installation without working internet connection, in which case your statement is definitely wrong. There was fairly recent and long thread about it on debian user mailing list, where some people thought that net-installer should not let you proceed and finish installation if you can not establish working internet connection, while others who have use of net-installer for installing just base system were happy with situation as it is. For further reference find that thread.

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And then, still, it is easier to find an installer which includes the firmware than trying to put it on a stick and try to load it during installation. Which I also recommended.
So did I, one post above you, several hours before. But if he already has installer, downloading just firmware is easier and might save him some bandwidth, which in his case might be important factor, or not.

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After 15 years of Debian installation I know what I am recommending to others.
Nope. But I'm certain that you sincerely do believe so. It does not matter how many years you've been installing debian, if you are giving bad advice which is based on misconceptions. For example "Unless you have very new and special hardware you don't need it." is one of the more obvious misconceptions you have. Now, as it comes to OP question, as far as I'm concerned, it has been answered, unless he has further problems during installation. As for this argument, it is pointless and you are taking it personal.
 
Old 08-20-2017, 02:56 AM   #13
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In that first link, you have this part:

Firmware during the installation

In some cases the installer detects the need for non-free firmware and prompts the user to make the firmware available to the installer to complete the installation, see ipw2200 for an example.

Before starting the installation process on hardware unfamiliar to you, a suggestion is to download the firmware tarball for your installation and unpack it into a directory named "firmware" in the root of a removable storage device. When the installer starts, it will automatically find the firmware files in the directory on the removable storage and, if needed, install the firmware for your hardware. The link to the firmware download for your Debian version is http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/un...ree/firmware/.

Code name of Debian 9 is Stretch. Look under stretch link, current, download one of those archives with named firmware.something and check its md5sum, or one of its sha sums. If it is valid download, follow instructions above.
Ill maybe try that but I think I would mess it up more. I dont really know what I am doing.
 
Old 08-20-2017, 03:14 AM   #14
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If you are not sure what you are doing, or do not have time/desire to learn few new things, perhaps your best bet would be to stick to the some more "user friendly" distros that will have non-free firmware enabled by default. Like Linux Mint, or Ubuntu. Then use them to learn few more things if you have desire and time to do so, and play with Debian in some kind of virtual machine, till you feel more confident to install it on real hardware.
 
Old 08-20-2017, 01:33 PM   #15
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I second to try and install without the firmware, then install firmware latter. Sometimes the install will still work and sometimes it won't. I have a laptop that the debian installer will ask for firmware every time for the wireless card, however the wireless card would still work enough to use for the installation. If it doesn't work then download the firmware and put on usb as suggested.

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