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Like I said above, additional drivers isn't 'needed' either in a lot of cases. As for ubuntu (and peppermint IIRC), it doesnt come with DVD codecs installed, and if you find the community documentation it says this- Quote:
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You seem to not understand whole picture but i don't want repeat myself. I am speaking about non-geek people and people who want stuff work directly after standart install(and they deserve it btw) or with very less pain after(ubuntu and mint type does it). If one can configure system it's cool but it's wrong to think this method applies for everyone. Long story short - Debian is for people who want learn or don't mind get hands dirty sometimes otherwise it's not something to use unless someone like you will configure it for them because they won't do it themselves but this is important when choosing distribution. If you will still not accept diferrence then i give up.
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http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers Relax guys. I'm not saying anything bad about Debian or saying Ubuntu is better. It's great but for person who wants simple OS it isn't that simple as it could be unless someone else does dirty work for them. |
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Finding the video drivers on a MS machine without them is very tiring on the eyes. A lot of hardware needs drivers. You can spend as much as 2 days getting the stuff to be recognized and working on machines designed for MS with hardware designed for MS. Thank God I don't do that anymore. When I first installed Linux I had, out of the box with an Ubuntu 8.04.1 install disk, on a box made and preinstalled with Vista (that never worked very well), a working box except for my dial up connection which did take some time. The last computer we bought came pre-installed with Ubuntu 9.10. As opposed to the Vista machine (which runs great, out of the box on Debian now)which required several reboots to work, the Sys76 box fired up and was ready to go as soon as plugged in. The problem is the lack of understanding language. Intuitive does not mean, as used in relation to computers all the time, something you are used to. It means you can sit down, look at it, and have some clue as to what to do. Sit Ben Franklin in front of a computer and see if it is intuitive to him to turn it on. I suspect that you probably are not real familiar with livestock. I bet if you visited here and were in the corral with an angry bull it would, on the other hand, be intuitive to go over the corral fence in a hurry. Everything on any computer or OS requires a manual if you are going to have a clue. |
I sure am not a geek or know much about PCs and operating-systems and all.
For me Debian is easy and allways was easy. I guess it depends on the hardware (on the ppc it was a wee bit of trouble, on the new laptop i had to go for a 38-kernel, all three PCs work out of the box, and the same is valid for my two stoneage-laptops, but on one i got problems with video. As it comes with 64MB i run it cli anyway). Sooner or later you will run into trouble with Ubuntu, and you will have to learn a bit more than click-click. Sooner or later the same will happen with any Windows-product (as an example sound works seldom for me, WinXP and Win7). I assume the same is valid for any OS and any application. For me Debian is the perfect mixture of being easy and being configurable. But i don't know much other operating systems (little bit of Fedora, little bit of Sabayon, little bit of BSD, little bit of Mandrive and a lot of Debian-based). If i was using nvidia i would probably have got other experiences. |
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There is a whole forum here made to make life easier for linux user, and I'm sure that any minor problems can be figured out. To treat everybody who is using ubuntu as incapable of running debian is pretty arrogant, and not at all realistic IMO. I dont think that apt-getting, or using synaptic to get flash is that big adeal.....its probably just as easy, if not easier than doing it with windows provided that you know the basic process. GPU drivers shouldnt be a problem, but if the OP does have a netbook with an ATI/AMD or nVidia GPU, and doesnt think that the open soruce dirvers are doing the job, installing the closed drivers should not be that hard. Quote:
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Well I'm sorry to have started off such a controversy! I shan't wade into the debate myself but it has thrown up a new related question for me.
If I install debian would I be able use the ubuntu restricted repositories to get my hands on all the extra stuff I'm likely to need... flash, nvidia drivers, DVD & MP3 codecs etc?? If not what would be the recommended repositories for all that kind of stuff in Debian? I'm not frightened of the terminal, but I do like using synaptic to do most of my installation. . |
Debians own repositories will get you the majority of what you want, just make sure to enable non-free and contrib. Apart from that debian multimedia is the next best source.
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I would encourage you to try other desktops in Debian. Ubuntu's spins are poorly maintained. Debian + KDE or Debian + XFCE are cleaner, faster, less buggy alternatives to Kubuntu and Xubuntu respectively. Debian is also chock full of minimal window managers-- openbox, icewm, pekwm, fluxbox, wmii, I've tried them all. |
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They are not compatible,and as mentioned above Debian has most things you'll need in the repositories anyway. |
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