switch to debian... stable or testing ?
I've been using ubuntu for some time & I'm very conservative about installing new systems if all goes well. (I still use 9.10)
Reading about where ubuntu is going I'm thinking of trying Debian next time I reinstall. However, I'm not quite sure what the differences are between stable & testing versions... * Are they both "rolling"? * Do I understand correctly that "rolling" means constant package updates? I'm looking for a system that "just works" on both my desktop & netbook which are a couple of years old with no exotic hardware. |
Debian is the ROCK of GNU/Linux. Its stability is legendary due to the fact that the software it utilizes in its stable releases is often quite a ways back from the bleeding edge. For most folks, this does not at all hinder their ability to utilize this distribution, though. For someone like yourself, I would recommend Stable for a first time install.
It's going to look and BE different than Ubuntu, so be ready. Think of Debian as Ubuntu's staid and proper grandmother. ;) Debian is NOT a rolling release distribution. Rolling release distributions never release sequential final release versions. Whatever you download and install at any given time is the most current version. You need to update rolling release distros regularly so as not to break them inadvertantly. Debian updates individual software regularly, but releases FINAL versions periodically. The current stable version of Debian is 6.0.1 - "Squeeze". They will eventually, a year or two from now, release v7.0. Personally, I prefer fresh installs to upgrades. However, if you keep your Squeeze updated regularly, when 7.0 does come out, an upgrade should be relatively painless. Luck with it. :) ~Eric |
If you are using 9.10 (Kinky Kitty) I would just go with Debian6 (Squeeze).
When Ubuntu does a version build they use 2 systems. One for regular releases like 9.10 and one for the LTS releases (Lounge Lizard 10.04). The regular releases are built by syncing the repos to the Debian unstable repos. The LTS is built syncing to the Debian testing repo. When Lounge Lizard was made Debian Testing was Squeeze. If you go with it you will be getting the OS that 10.04 was built on. The main difference is that it works better. It should remain the Debian Stable release until 2013 probably. Debian is does not have a fetish about release dates. They want the sucker stable when released as stable. Wheezy is the new Testing (Squeeze was released in Feb). I run testing with the Liquorix kernel. There are a lot of updates, usually every day.Squeeze is a real nice OS and Debian takes a bit of getting used to after Ubuntu. Ubuntu moves some system files and renames others so it is a bit of a challenge to come to grips with it. If you were a neighbor I was giving advice to I would recommend a dual boot with your 9.10. That way you have something familiar to fall back on if you get frustrated. Frankly I would be surprised if you didn't fall in love in a hurry. |
Go with Stable. If you get bored you can always upgrade to Testing or unstable.
Keep in mind Stable gets quite old, while Testing and Sid are constantly getting updates. Also Debian Testing and Sid are both more 'stable' than most other distros, way more 'stable' than *buntu. On my desktop I installed Debian way back in 2004, even though most of the hardware has been upgraded I have yet had to reinstall. |
I read in another thread that Debian testing was not, any longer, more stable than Ubuntu. All I can say is that it sure is on my hardware even running the Liquorix 2.6.38 kernel. It is more stable than 10.04 let alone 10.10 or 11.04 (which does run 1.6.38).
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Thanks for all your comments they are very useful. The stability does sound attractive. I don't like ubuntu making arbitrary changes with each new release which is why I haven't bothered to update for ages.
Several of you comment that I will have to expect things to be different from the buntus. But is there anything that might catch me out having previous experience with puppy & suse as well? Debian has synaptic in the repos doesn't it? . |
As the others have said go with Stable (Squeeze) initially, if you feel like moving further after you are used to Debian then you may wish to give Testing a go.
Ubuntu adds alot of stuff to Debian that is supposed to make configuration easier. Debian no longer has non-free firmware (basically drivers) in the kernel where Ubuntu does so you may have initial difficulty getting wireless networking setup but if you know your machines hardware you can work through issues like that quickly and easily by getting things you may need early. Synaptic is part of the default install with the Gnome version, I don't know what the KDE version uses. If you want to give Debian a go without installing it you could download a DebianLive cd/dvd and try it out like you would with Ubuntu to make sure things were ok. If you follow the link just choose your architecture (amd64 or i386) and then choose the DE you want to try out. When you need to ask questions, everyone is willing to help. |
Ah yes the live CD is a good idea, especially if there may be hardware issues with the wifi on my netbook.
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Maybe Testing is not for everyone (i mean beginners). There are quirks here and there especially when infrastructural changes are made (the udisks/upower change for example killed hibernation for me until i figured it out). But if uou know your way around the apt system and stuff (like i did when i switched fromUbuntu) you are ok. But i had absolutely no stability issues, only "paper cut" level stuff. Keep in mind though that Debian (both Stable and Testing) has no "hand holder" components ("Hardware Drivers" and the like) and hasnt got that many packages installed by default (but are available in the repos). The repositories are way better than Ubutu's though - you have many more packages ther than Ubuntus native repos. |
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Dont worry, the system autodetects+configures just as Ubuntu. The proprietary drivers are optional in Ubuntu too (save foe a few wireless chips). Typically the propietary drivers are video (ati or nvidia) or some wireless brands (more choices here, but well documented, just google for it if not sure). This of course implies the fact that you actually know what you have in your computer. If not quite sure, lspci+dmesg is your friend here... |
Debian is for you if you like customize system yourself from minimal and fast install but if you want already configured system then skip it and use Ubuntu, Mint, Peppermint or other Ubuntu|Debian based distribution..can find some from DW search option.
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Uing 9.10 still? I'm guessing that you are looking for a non-ubuntu option because 9.10 should be end of life now. Get debian stable. Its great for people who just want to install the OS and get going, no need to worry about updating like you do with testing/unstable.
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Ubuntu, and ubuntu based distros are best for people who like eyecandy, dont want to do any settings up to get it, dont want to deal with a console for a few minutes to get ATI/AMD, nVidia or non-liunx-friendly wifi drivers Debain is best for people who want a bit more control, dont really care about eye-candy or are prepared to spend a few minutes setting it up, have a linux-friendly wifi setup or are prepared to get it going (how hard that could be depends on the wifi) and are prepared to do more than click to get ATI/AMD or nVidia drivers. Or dont care about the closed GPU drivers and are happy enough with the open source radeon or nouveau drivers. I did a debian 6.0.1a install a few weeks back on a fairly normal intel based system. Intel CPU, chipset, video, and to be honest I dont even know what networking chip its using- didnt need to know because everything worked 'out of the box'. Sure, with some systems you might need to do some configuration, but with a lot of systems you simply dont have to. |
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