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Old 09-06-2009, 08:16 AM   #46
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Hey frenchnoob

Um, you should give grml-medium, with fluxbox
a spin

what window manager are you using now?
 
Old 09-06-2009, 08:58 AM   #47
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Hey frenchnoob

Um, you should give grml-medium, with fluxbox
a spin

what window manager are you using now?
is grml-medium a 2.4 kernel?
edit : uggr
2.6 kernel, will be out of mind slow. http://grml.org/changelogs/README-grml-medium-2009.05/

it seems to be fluxbox (well it is writen blaackbox although but deb is fluxbox)

I try now to solve my pcmcia issue with the 2.4 .. pff pff
with the i82365.o which is not well coded into the 2.4.18 kernel of the repositories.

I try to compile but will be hard

So to say, 2.4 kernel with woody, is cool
it is rather fast (x1000 faster than lenny trials)

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Old 09-06-2009, 09:11 AM   #48
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When I think ...

ages of empires and windows 98 are running on this old pc, quite well.
And Woody is a bit slower with 2.4.18 kernel, compared to windows.

So, Linux is slower than Windows ? Seems like
 
Old 09-06-2009, 09:41 AM   #49
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Man, I am compiling a 2.4.33 kernel, its amazing, there is nothing set as default in it. One has to add usb, pcmicia, lot of stuffs. Concerning the compiling, 2.4 looks far clearer to understand. Ext3 is even not in there The devices are clearly writen. 2.6 is much more difficult to understand what everything means. in 2.4 the brandname, shortername, id of the device are clearly writen.
make dep, let's start the long long procedure of compiling

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Old 09-06-2009, 04:02 PM   #50
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WOODY WITH 2.4.20 kernel + VTWM is super super fast. that s so great !!

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this is my configuration : http://yellowprotoss.ye.funpic.org/d.../vtwmrc-vers07

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Old 09-07-2009, 06:32 AM   #51
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You could have tried Slackware 11, which comes with the 2.4.33 kernel as default, and which is still supported.
P.S.
You Debianites will never learn, will you?
 
Old 09-07-2009, 04:47 PM   #52
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You could have tried Slackware 11, which comes with the 2.4.33 kernel as default, and which is still supported.
P.S.
You Debianites will never learn, will you?
I know that slackware is good. Tell me more about Slack I have that book slackware 3.1 969pages "LINUX" M. Wielsch, with 2 cds and a cdrom. This book fascinated me since I was little. was cool slack 3.1
I found a hole with tar.gz, you get a copy with the super user ,with root at home. u arrive at school unpack with permission,a nd u become root.
 
Old 09-07-2009, 10:38 PM   #53
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You could have tried Slackware 11, which comes with the 2.4.33 kernel as default, and which is still supported.
P.S.
You Debianites will never learn, will you?
Edit after quite some time:
- What?

I cant believe that slack11 has a 2.4.33. How is it possible?
How is it possible with the binutils? In debian we cant
other slack is very late.
other they take risks of having newbies not capable of installing linux just for hardware problem. to pass trhough installation, it repulse the newbies.

On the other hand, why Debian Stable does not offer also kernels:

- (eventually 2.2)
- 2.4.33 ?
- and 2.6.X
til
- 2.8
?
I mean why Debian is deletign those repos. about kernel. Kernel is the core fo the machien and should be far bigger.

- still unclear, how is it possible to run a 2.4 since the binutils are different? what about security holes?

- and final question, is really Slack better?
You know the more people involved in a project, the better
So certainly Debian will have beettter distro.
Slack I cant figure out to ./compile ; make ; install
I havent time for any of that. Already playing with linux and finding out how to install find is already lot of time consumed we have other things also.
 
Old 09-07-2009, 10:54 PM   #54
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you made me check slackware webpage

so here are the kernels of the current version, 13:

choice is good
I mean that woody and pcmcia, it should work. It is only hte modules that arent in the kernel.

What about slack? is it more reliable with hardware?
I heard that slackware is far faster. Is it due to the coders of the kernel?

I mean ,you see those 2.6> advanced kernels. They are quite slow. They are heavy. I have a

The specifications for this notebook as tested are as follows:

* 15.4 WXGA screen (1280 x 800), with TruBrite
* 1.6 GHz Pentium M 715 CPU (1Mb L2 cache)
* 512Mb DDR PC2700 ram (1x512Mb), expandable to 2048Mb.
* 80 GB 4200 rpm HDD (Toshiba MK8025GAS)
* 64Mb DDR NVIDIA GeForce FX GO 5200
* Intel 2200bg wireless, 100/10 built-in wireless and internal V.92 data/fax modem
* Super-Multi drive (MATSHITA DVD-RAM UJ-820S)
* Harmon/Kardon speakers

and my PC with ddebian 2.6 Lenny is SLOW That s general, I find the kernels too heavy for the machine, still. although xp, no comparison hwo to crap xp is for being rapid.

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ou are using package search in slackware-13.0
your search returned 67 results. [search tips]

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kernel-source-2.6.29.6_smp-noarch-2.txz in slackware/k
kernel -source (Linux kernel source)

Source code for Linus Torvalds' Linux kernel .

This is the complete source code for the Linux kernel .

This kernel has been patched to fix a null dereference bug in
net/socket.c (CVE-2009-2692).
kernel-modules-2.6.29.6-i486-2.txz in slackware/a
kernel -modules (single CPU Linux kernel modules)

A kernel module is a piece of object code that can be dynamically
loaded into the Linux kernel to provide new kernel functions. Most of
these modules provide support for devices such as CD-ROM drives, tape
drives, and ethernet cards. You can choose which modules to load by
editing /etc/rc.d/rc.modules.
kernel-modules-smp-2.6.29.6_smp-i686-2.txz in slackware/a
kernel -modules (SMP Linux kernel modules)

A kernel module is a piece of object code that can be dynamically
loaded into the Linux kernel to provide new kernel functions. Most of
these modules provide support for devices such as CD-ROM drives, tape
drives, and ethernet cards. You can choose which modules to load by
editing /etc/rc.d/rc.modules.
kernel-modules-smp-2.6.30.5_smp-i686-1_testing.txz in testing/packages/linux-2.6.30.5
kernel -modules (SMP Linux kernel modules)

A kernel module is a piece of object code that can be dynamically
loaded into the Linux kernel to provide new kernel functions. Most of
these modules provide support for devices such as CD-ROM drives, tape
drives, and ethernet cards. You can choose which modules to load by
editing /etc/rc.d/rc.modules.
kernel-source-2.6.30.5_smp-noarch-1_testing.txz in testing/packages/linux-2.6.30.5
kernel -source (Linux kernel source)

Source code for Linus Torvalds' Linux kernel .

This is the complete and unmodified source code for the Linux kernel .
kernel-firmware-2.6.30.5-noarch-1_testing.txz in testing/packages/linux-2.6.30.5
kernel -firmware (Firmware installed by the kernel )

These are the firmware files from the Linux kernel .

You'll need these to use certain hardware with Linux.
kernel-firmware-2.6.29.6-noarch-2.txz in slackware/a
kernel -firmware (Firmware installed by the kernel )

These are the firmware files from the Linux kernel .

You'll need these to use certain hardware with Linux.
kernel-headers-2.6.30.5_smp-x86-1_testing.txz in testing/packages/linux-2.6.30.5
kernel -headers (Linux kernel include files)

These are the include files from the Linux kernel .

You'll need these to compile most system software for Linux.
kernel-headers-2.6.29.6_smp-x86-2.txz in slackware/d
kernel -headers (Linux kernel include files)

These are the include files from the Linux kernel .

You'll need these to compile most system software for Linux.
kernel-headers-2.6.29.6-x86-2.txz in extra/linux-2.6.29.6-nosmp-sdk
kernel -headers (Linux kernel include files)

These are the include files from the Linux kernel .

You'll need these to compile most system software for Linux.
 
Old 09-08-2009, 03:05 AM   #55
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Slackware doesn't drop support for old releases like Debian does. If you look at some of the Slackware mirrors, you'll find that releases as far back as 8.1 are still supported with updates, security patches.
 
Old 09-08-2009, 11:44 AM   #56
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Slackware doesn't drop support for old releases like Debian does. If you look at some of the Slackware mirrors, you'll find that releases as far back as 8.1 are still supported with updates, security patches.
really. But why does Debian do that?
I mean that's unfair and it looks like windows microsoft. They push you to buy new hardware cuz they drop support for old windows.

But how can slackware survive, it s too much work to update all those distro versions?
 
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I don't know why Debian drops support for old releases, I should have thought that with their resources they could have done.
I don't know how Patrick Volkerding and the rest of the Slackware team manage to maintain so many old releases, but they do. And that's good for anyone with old equipment or for those who like to experiment. I had 3.5 and 8.1 running with Qemu last year.
 
Old 09-08-2009, 11:59 AM   #58
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I don't know why Debian drops support for old releases, I should have thought that with their resources they could have done.
I don't know how Patrick Volkerding and the rest of the Slackware team manage to maintain so many old releases, but they do. And that's good for anyone with old equipment or for those who like to experiment. I had 3.5 and 8.1 running with Qemu last year.
No, really?? 3.5, I cant believe. It's old like 1995 around. Slackware 3.1, I had it when I was at school. I had a pentium 133Mhz around, with 8mb of ram.

I mean Debian are completely lazy? They drop users with their machines. That's not fair, since Slackware does it. Although they by debian have lot of coders/packagers, there is certainly some deep reasons.

Or the architecture does not permit it. I couldnt compile a 2.4 kernel for lenny or etch. I said it is impossible, that machine almost.

Explain me ...
I can imagine that

so.... Debian suc*s really? no? I cant still believe
 
Old 09-08-2009, 12:11 PM   #59
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No.I don't think so.
Debian releases new stable versions of the distro approximately every two years.
Then the old-stable distro is still supported for another year.
So you have about three years of support per release.

Also don't forget that Debian is known as the universal o/s and for good reason.
Look how many architectures Debian can support:

http://www.uk.debian.org/distrib/netinst

Can you imagine supporting all of those architectures going back a number of years and release versions?.
That is a huge undertaking even for Debian
 
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No.I don't think so.
Debian releases new stable versions of the distro approximately every two years.
Then the old-stable distro is still supported for another year.
So you have about three years of support per release.
And what I do with my pc that I bought on Ebay to watch movies or surf on internet at home, since Debian does fire them unfortunately. no security updates, no support.
133mhz and 600Mhz?

Linux on scratch eventually?

Other distro does not offer such support? It s true you can find debian everywehre, but ok, Universal means 486 DX2 can still have DEBIAN. i am right


hmmm I understand they are flooded by architectures...

So, let's think how to please everynoe?

How to make it ? Lets brainstorm for solutions

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