Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw for module r816

TNT BOM BOM · 07-03-2015, 07:51 AM

hi there , i was trying to install kvm (kernel-based virtual machine),i have tried it on debian jessie but this version of debian when i have installed it, i didnt choose "setup system utilities" (i donno if its related or not). now when i used this command "sudo apt-get install qemu-kvm libvirt-bin virt-manager" to setup the kvm a repeatable message occureed at the end c this:-

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the@sugarment:~$ sudo apt-get install qemu-kvm libvirt-bin virt-manager
[sudo] password for the:
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  python-urlgrabber qemu-system-common qemu-system-x86 qemu-utils seabios
  sharutils spice-client-glib-usb-acl-helper vbetool virt-viewer virtinst
Suggested packages:
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  thin-provisioning-tools cpufrequtils radeontool samba vde2 sgabios ovmf
  debootstrap bsd-mailx mailx ssh-askpass gnome-keyring python-gnomekeyring
  python-guestfs
The following NEW packages will be installed:
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  gir1.2-libvirt-glib-1.0 gir1.2-spice-client-glib-2.0
  gir1.2-spice-client-gtk-3.0 gir1.2-vte-2.90 hdparm ipxe-qemu libapparmor1
  libaugeas0 libbrlapi0.6 libdevmapper-event1.02.1 libfdt1 libgtk-vnc-2.0-0
  libgvnc-1.0-0 libiscsi2 liblvm2cmd2.02 libnetcf1 libnuma1 librados2 librbd1
  libreadline5 libseccomp2 libspice-client-glib-2.0-8
  libspice-client-gtk-3.0-4 libspice-server1 libusbredirhost1
  libusbredirparser1 libvdeplug2 libvirt-bin libvirt-clients libvirt-daemon
  libvirt-daemon-system libvirt-glib-1.0-0 libvirt0 libvte-2.90-9
  libvte-2.90-common libx86-1 libxen-4.4 libxenstore3.0 lvm2 netcat-openbsd
  pm-utils powermgmt-base python-gi-cairo python-ipaddr python-libvirt
  python-urlgrabber qemu-kvm qemu-system-common qemu-system-x86 qemu-utils
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  virt-viewer virtinst
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W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-3.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168g-2.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8106e-2.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8106e-1.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8411-2.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8411-1.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8402-1.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-2.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168f-1.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8105e-1.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-3.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-2.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168e-1.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-2.fw for module r8169
W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/rtl_nic/rtl8168d-1.fw for module r8169
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how can i solve this ? thnx

EDDY1 · 07-04-2015, 12:17 AM

Are you using wireless, is this your ethernet? Which 1?
Obviously you have network, because you're able to install with apt-get.
On my system I'm not using the ethernet so I had to install bridge-utils & ebtables to create a bridge on wireless.
Also you can install firmware-realtek to get rid of error message & also be able to

273 · 07-04-2015, 01:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TNT BOM BOM

how can i solve this ? thnx

Solve what? Are you having any issues with anything?
What you are seeing is a message advising you of something, that is all.

TNT BOM BOM · 07-04-2015, 06:58 AM

@EDIC , im using cable (ethernet) & it solved by installing firmware-realtek (the message gone). but i want to ask is there free source similar to firmware-realtek ? because its non-free

@273 well yeah , i just discovered that everything working well even without installing firmware-realtek.

thnx for ur answers guys.

mralk3 · 07-04-2015, 10:15 AM

The answer is simple. Install firmware-realtek and be done with it.

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek

273 · 07-04-2015, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mralk3

The answer is simple. Install firmware-realtek and be done with it.

https://packages.debian.org/jessie/firmware-realtek

Hah, simple answer to a simple question. Not to argue but I wouldn't personally bother installing a package I didn't actually need.
Sorry, I'm not in front of a PC right now but I think this is either due to the Debian kernel automatically loading modules for the wireless drivers or to some other application, WICD springs to mind, being installed which has hooks for the firmware. I have safely ignored it for what seems a long time.

pan64 · 07-04-2015, 12:08 PM

yes, it looks like r8169 cannot be handled properly. Install firmware-realtek and check dmesg if it solves this issue. Using another firmware will/may lower the throughput.

mralk3 · 07-04-2015, 03:44 PM

Maybe if the OP posted the output of lspci and lsusb to share what his/her WiFi hardware is, we might have an idea if this package is needed or not. I was mistaken to automatically assume the realtek-firmware package is needed, but then I suppose, it could be a mistake to assume the firmware isn't needed. I've just never seen an output like this in a Debian stable release in 10 years of use. I have seen similar in Debian Sid though. However, the OP is using Debian Jessie.

So I guess before anymore advice is provided "TNT BOM BOM" needs to post the output of:

Code:

 lspci -k

Code:

lsusb ; lsusb -t

If a Realtek wifi card is short on firmware, install the realtek-firmware package. If not, safely ignore the output.

273 · 07-04-2015, 03:48 PM

Sorry, yes, now I read back I realise that the missing firmware may be for a wired card. I've a strange feeling I had something similar while installing this system -- it wasn't actually required for operation but, presumably, allowed better control over the card.

Head_on_a_Stick · 07-04-2015, 03:52 PM

^ I have an ethernet card that causes those messages to show up and installing the firmware makes no difference to the performance whatsoever...

273 · 07-04-2015, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Head_on_a_Stick

^ I have an ethernet card that causes those messages to show up and installing the firmware makes no difference to the performance whatsoever...

Well, quite, I should perhaps have expanded that everything worked fine without the firmware but I don't use gigabit ethernet so I can't comment on that but everything else seemed no different with or without.

TNT BOM BOM · 07-04-2015, 04:58 PM

@marlk3

-lspci -k output

Code:

the@sugarment:~$  lspci -k
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 Memory Controller Hub (rev 0c)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile PM965/GM965/GL960 PCI Express Root Port (rev 0c)
        Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1a.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #4 (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1a.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #5 (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1a.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
00:1c.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 1 (rev 03)
        Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1c.1 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 2 (rev 03)
        Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1c.5 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) PCI Express Port 6 (rev 03)
        Kernel driver in use: pcieport
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) USB2 EHCI Controller #1 (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev f3)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801HM (ICH8M) LPC Interface Controller (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: lpc_ich
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
00:1f.2 SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA Controller [AHCI mode] (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: ahci
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) SMBus Controller (rev 03)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Device 30cc
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation G86M [GeForce 8400M GS] (rev a1)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: nouveau
02:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
        Subsystem: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945BG Network Connection
        Kernel driver in use: iwl3945
06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: r8169
07:09.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Ricoh Co Ltd R5C832 IEEE 1394 Controller (rev 05)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: firewire_ohci
07:09.1 SD Host controller: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C822 SD/SDIO/MMC/MS/MSPro Host Adapter (rev 22)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: sdhci-pci
07:09.2 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd R5C592 Memory Stick Bus Host Adapter (rev 12)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: r592
07:09.3 System peripheral: Ricoh Co Ltd xD-Picture Card Controller (rev 12)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: r852
the@sugarment:~$

-lsusb ; lsusb -t

Code:

the@sugarment:~$ lsusb ; lsusb -t
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 004: ID 046e:5520 Behavior Tech. Computer Corp. 
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
/:  Bus 07.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-pci/6p, 480M
/:  Bus 06.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/:  Bus 05.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/:  Bus 04.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
    |__ Port 2: Dev 4, If 0, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 1.5M
    |__ Port 2: Dev 4, If 1, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 1.5M
    |__ Port 2: Dev 4, If 2, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 1.5M
/:  Bus 03.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/:  Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/:  Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-pci/4p, 480M
the@sugarment:~$

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@273

Quote:

Well, quite, I should perhaps have expanded that everything worked fine without the firmware but I don't use gigabit ethernet so I can't comment on that but everything else seemed no different with or without.

yeah correct , im using the ethernet now everything working well. but if its really this firmware is not needed i wonder why someone would headache our heades with this message since its useless (hope debian find out how to deal with these messages).

273 · 07-04-2015, 05:14 PM

So it seems that the missing firmware isn't for your controller.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TNT BOM BOM

@marlk3

-lspci -k output

Code:

06:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01)
        Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Pavilion dv6700
        Kernel driver in use: r8169

@273

yeah correct , im using the ethernet now everything working well. but if its really this firmware is not needed i wonder why someone would headache our heades with this message since its useless (hope debian find out how to deal with these messages).

I've a feeling that Debian has been set up in such a way that it looks for all possible firmware when building the initramfs to be on the safe side.
mralk3's remarks about only seeing this on Sid (I only run Sid) makes me wonder whether it's something that's trickled down to stable with the particular kernel version.
On the above evidence I would think it is completely safe to ignore but if installing the firmware makes it go away and you prefer not to see the error I see no harm in that either. With things like this I tend to just install the darn package just to keep the noise floor a little lower as regards errors.
If I manage to find some motivation in the next couple of days I may try to replicate the error to try to understand it.

mralk3 · 07-04-2015, 07:53 PM

Makes me wonder what other drivers / modules are being checked in memory that aren't needed in the initrd. Seems to me that it would make more sense for the ram disk to be generated based on things that are actually needed, and therefore, installed on the system.

273 · 07-04-2015, 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mralk3

Makes me wonder what other drivers / modules are being checked in memory that aren't needed in the initrd. Seems to me that it would make more sense for the ram disk to be generated based on things that are actually needed, and therefore, installed on the system.

I've a feeling that the Debian kernel is fairly large on inclusions and this happens to be an anomaly where the kernel doesn't match the packages installed by default.