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Does politics had to be part of software developement? Are Debian end-users only software developers? Why some software developers still think that the end-user doesn't matter?
Um.... where human beings are, politics will always be there. Debian has been around and survived far, far longer than Ubuntu can even dream of at this point.
Don't worry about the politics... Ubuntu will get its fair share as it becomes bigger and more established.
Last edited by vharishankar; 09-25-2006 at 11:26 PM.
Because even if the current Debian dies due to political collapse, someone else will remember what it originally stood for - freedom, stability, and community - and they'll take it under their wing and fly.
Oh, that sounds a lot like Ubuntu...
The whole idea of a war between Ubuntu and Debian, by the way, is completely assinine. Ubuntu is Debian's child, and Debian benefits from Ubuntu.
Anyone who's spent much time using debian greets these little flurries with a roll of the eyes. I've got mad at the fussing before (I went to freebsd for a few years when I got fed up once) but in the end it's really a nice distro and things do get ironed out. Until the next time, lol.
That article looks like someone got bored and wanted to poke at something with a stick. Rather uninspired sensationalism.
There's a long life ahead of debian still, I think.
I've had Debian almost exactly a year now and I love it. It has improved tremendously since then too. Major props and congratulations to Ubuntu for becoming the most popular distro but I tried and, personally, I thought it was horrible. Yet I have nothing against it per se, because I, like others, think it actually benefits Debian.
I have to come clean though, as far as the distros that are aiming to be "user-friendly," I always recommend SuSE over Ubuntu (the latter being a distant second, if that).
I usually take a look at what the user is currently running, and their level of experience.
If they're really, really newbish, I suggest Ubuntu. It's hard to go wrong with Ubuntu.
If they're not as newbish, but still new to Linux, I suggest SuSE.
If they're not new to Linux, but interested in trying something different, I suggest Debian.
If they're a masochist, I suggest Linux From Scratch.
If they're a Debian user looking for something new, I also suggest Linux From Scratch. Just for kicks.
And I never suggest a distro that I don't use currently. (Except LFS, it's an anomaly.) That way, when they have questions (they'll always have questions) I can refer to my own computer and say "oh, here's how that's done."
I currently run OpenSUSE 10.0 on my personal work laptop, Debian Sarge on my server (old-skool P2), and I dual-boot OpenSUSE 10.1 and Ubuntu 6.06 LTS on my personal desktop. (( I use Windows XP Pro on my assigned work laptop, because we're not allowed to change the OS. However, I use my personal work laptop instead of my assigned laptop whenever possible, because I despise having to use Windows XP. It's like trying to do advanced calculus on a cell-phone calculator. Doable, but why bother? ))
I've had Debian almost exactly a year now and I love it. It has improved tremendously since then too. Major props and congratulations to Ubuntu for becoming the most popular distro but I tried and, personally, I thought it was horrible. Yet I have nothing against it per se, because I, like others, think it actually benefits Debian.
I have to come clean though, as far as the distros that are aiming to be "user-friendly," I always recommend SuSE over Ubuntu (the latter being a distant second, if that).
Why you dislike Ubuntu? I'm using it as my only OS now (...although I'm open-minded and like cross-platform POSIX interoperability) and will recomend it for end-users.
Why you dislike Ubuntu? I'm using it as my only OS now (...although I'm open-minded and like cross-platform POSIX interoperability) and will recomend it for end-users.
It doesn't really matter if I don't like it, does it? If you like it, that's great. I don't have a problem with it, I just dislike using it. To me, it seems to make things that are simple in Debian (MP3 and video playback, et cetera) unnecessarily difficult, if not nearly impossible. I also had a hard time getting any kind of Java browser plugins to work, and I think I actually gave up on that eventually.
Of course, those things are not needed for those who actually want to get some work done.
I like Suse because it's just as easy as Ubuntu, and more things seem to work the way they should. I also don't like having to "sudo" everything in Ubuntu. People say it's dreadful the way Vista handles all the authentication and password stuff, then say it's okay for Ubuntu. I don't like it.
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